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by EKvonEarnhardt on 29 June 2006 - 21:06
I see this all the time but have no clue on what it means, OFA does not know. Thought someone here would know ? Thanks EK
by odinfan on 29 June 2006 - 21:06
I believe it means 'certified' or 'awarded', and that the dog has one of the 3 following hip ratings: 'a' normal, 'a' fast normal, or 'a' noch zugelassen.
Hope this helps!
by Blitzen on 29 June 2006 - 22:06
And it's delicious cooked with pork.
by J_F_U on 29 June 2006 - 23:06
Blitzen i think you mean sauerkrout!

by Bob-O on 29 June 2006 - 23:06
Odinfan is correct. It means "awarded", which I always knew, but just found out recently (Thanks Bea) that it was the only passing score available from the S.V. before it was broken into the classifications for "a" Normal, "a" fast Normal, and "a" noch Zugelassen.
It is very similar to several years ago when the O.F.A. issued only a score of "Normal" or indication of failure.
However you do see it indicated the pedigrees of dogs who were born before the mid to late 1960's when hip scoring began on both sides of the Atlantic.
Bob-O

by EKvonEarnhardt on 30 June 2006 - 00:06
So if I am understanding this right it just means that they where cheched. It does not mean that they had good OR bad hips. So should I even be worried about this score in the pedigree?
How is it that a Noch Zuggelassen could even be bred?
Bliten it is also great in ente mit sauerkraut auf nurnberger art (duck and sauerkraut w/ apples & grapes) it is very good.
by Blitzen on 30 June 2006 - 01:06
Yum, yum, dat sounds like gute fressin', EK.

by Bob-O on 30 June 2006 - 01:06
EKvon Earnhardt, the dog with a hip rating of zuerkannt passed the hip x-ray evaluation, but you never know whether it passed as "a"1, "a"2, or "a"3 in those days.
The S.V.'s idea supporting the use of a noch Zugelassen dog/bitch nowadays has to so with his/her breed score and the other qualities that the dog/bitch has. There are noch Zugelassen dogs/bitches with a breed score that ranges from the high 80's to more than 130 depending on the results of their ancestry, siblings, and finally, progeny. There are probably some just outside these values, but these are just ones that I can remember for the moment. But, there are also "a" Normal and "a" fast Normal dogs/bitches that are several digits past 100 as well.
How could one ever be bred? Personally I would not, even if the dog/bitch had a low breed score. I guess that one must forget the hips for a moment and look at the total package that the dog/bitch might produce and decide whether the risk is worth it.
Bob-O
by lonewulf on 30 June 2006 - 20:06
The foolowing were the replies when I posted this same question on this board on June 17th, 2006:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/46433.html#46482
1. HD-Zuerkannt (hip dysplasie-awarded) means that the dog is recognized posthumously for progeny whose hip quality was of at least average quality or better. He/she himself was not x-rayed and certified as hip dysplasie-free, but he/she were thought to be hip dysplasie-free because of quality of the hips of the progeny.
Typically this was done in the days before the "a" stamp became a requirement. Since the early 1980's the "a" stamp programmme has been enforced, and you will no longer see this award indicated for dogs born after the late 1970's.
Bob-O
2. It is true that HD- zuerkannt was done in the days before the a stamp was mandatory for breeding, but it was not done posthumously. A dog could be a-stamped, but there was no differentiation on the pedigree if normal, fast normal or noch zugelassen, he just was a-stamped or not, and if he was, they put HD-zuerkannt in the pedigree.
- bea
3. Thanks Bea. For all these years I presumed it to be a posthumous award because many dogs have this award, yet were born several years before the mid-60's when evaluation by x-ray became the norm.
Interesting about the lack of differentation concerning the indicated quality of the hips, but it is similar to the days when the O.F.A. gave but a passing grade of Normal unless the dog failed. I have been not 100% correct for all of these years.
Bob-O stands somewhat corrected.
Regards,
Bob-O

by Bob-O on 30 June 2006 - 20:06
As you see, Lonewulf, several days ago I was corrected from what I thought to be true for the last twenty (20) years or so.
Bob-O
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