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prasac

by prasac on 29 May 2010 - 08:05

Hi all,

So finally I took my dog back to my vet who was out on a vacation and discussed my dogs condition. The vet near my place took out a lot of money from my wallet saying that nose bleeding was caused due to tick fever. My vet, who just came back from his vacation, observered my dog's condition and said that it wasnt tick fever because the dog was already treated over a year back for tick fever and also added that if it was tick fever, my dog would have shown signs of lost appetite, heavy shedding etc. His thought is that it could be a tumor as the muscles on my dog's forehead have kind of settled down in the middle. He suggested a MRI to be done. I am thinking of it asap. However, I just read on google that nose bleeding can be caused by Vitamin K deficiency and tightening of shoulder muscles on either one of the sides which causes pressure on the veins and arteries, and can also be a cause of inherited problems. Has anyone heard of this or experienced the same? Do dogs require Vitamin K?

Any suggestions??

by noddi on 29 May 2010 - 10:05

my first shepherd had slight nose bleeds after she,d sneezed.didnt think much about it but a short while later she had a big lump come up at the top of her nose.the vet thought that it could be an abcess behind a tooth,so in she went for an op.she died on the op.table(aged 9).apparently it was a ball of blood and her nasal cavity had been eaten away by cancer.if i was yu i,d get the MRI scan done.how old is your animal?yu hope your prognosis and outcome is better than mine was.good luck.Carole.

Renofan2

by Renofan2 on 29 May 2010 - 11:05

Prasac:
I am very sorry to hear that  your dogs nose is bleeding again.  My Reno had nose bleeds since she was 8.   I had her nose scoped after 2 months of severe nose bleeds.  They found a mass covering one side of her nasal cavity.  The specialist at the time did not perform a biopsy.  Since he was 99% sure it was a malignant mass, I did not ask for him to go back in and get a sample for biopsy.  They gave her 3 to 6 months to live.  She live almost 6 years.  The mass never spread.  If you can, have your dogs nose scoped and make sure they take a biopsy.  The picture they took of Reon's mass was a classic malignancy according to this specialist, however no one can explain how it did not spread. 

My vet thinks she was a miracle.  I am hoping for one for your dog as well.

Cheryl

prasac

by prasac on 29 May 2010 - 13:05

Thanks for the info carole and cheryl. Thank you both. I just spoke to my vet and he wants to observe the dog for a couple more days before giving him the treatment for cancer or going in for a test. He suggested that I give him 3 tabs of emostat or revistat every day for two more days. Then he wants to go in for a thorough check up or a MRI and give him an anti-cancer injection. I am visiting another vet for a 2nd opinion tonight itself.

 

Well, my dog is 6 years. Here is my dog http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/473922.html


Prager

by Prager on 29 May 2010 - 14:05

I would absolutely retest the dog for tick fever!!!!. Just because it had it once or had been treated before,  does not mean that it did not come back through reinfection or because it was not completely treated. The antibodies can last for one or more years after the infection, but they do not make the dog immune to ehrlichiosis - the dog could get reinfected.
Also there are different types of ehrilchiosis and I am not sure that there is a crossimmunity.
This is your first step !
MRI can wait. I would trust your old vet and not the one suggesting MRI. eliminate the most likely and cheapest problem firs. It may not be ehrlichiosis but if it is the dog will die. Dog may or MAY NOT HAVE ANY AND /OR ALL THE SYMPTOMS!
RETEST THE DOG !!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1556&aid=430

Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com


Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 29 May 2010 - 16:05

I would eliminater the possibility of Ehrliciosis, but I would have the MRI done.  It sounds like nasal cancer to me, and I had a GSD that had it.  I had to go to 4 vets to get the right diagnosis.  My male was 8 years old and lived for 4 or 5 months.  It is a horrible thing to go through, I wish you the best of luck. 

Jim

by gsd39mr on 29 May 2010 - 19:05

I had a dog one time that was also having bad nosebleeds. He was 4 yrs old which the vet considered young for nasal cancer but when we got an x-ray it showed a mass. I decided to have them scope the nose and get a bx to be certain. Lo and behold it turned out to be a foxtail that he had sniffed up his nose. Luckily not fatal like cancer but still difficult to treat. I took him to a larger hospital for a"roto rooter" but it was fairly high up and difficult to clean out and he always had issues. I commented to a friend one time that if they ever used that stuff luminol like you see on CSI it would look like there had been a massacre at my house.Good luck to you.





 


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