Weird AKC question - Page 1

I thought this was a little odd, but it came directly from someone at AKC customer service. Long story short - We have a lab here that we're fostering that is chipped and is enrolled in that lost-dog program AKC has, can't remember the name of it at the moment. Anyway, the dog is spayed of course after being in the shelter and all that stuff. I called the AKC office to simply confirm the fees because we needed to get the chip info in our name as well as the pertinent AKC info that it would go back to as well. As chit-chatty as I am, I briefly explained the dog was an owner surrender and the shelter actually held onto the papers and sent them with the dog (I thought it was pretty cool they didn't just chuck them into the trash). The lady on the phone just about had a cow and said "well those papers need revoked immediately since the dog was impounded". I was like - WHAT? Why? The dog was tattooed and chipped and all stuff matched up with AKC's info...same dog, no problem. Is this normal? I just thought it was weird, but I'd never heard of them doing that before. She didn't actually do anything to this dog's registration, since I never gave her the information. So I dunno...whats up with that? It was just news to me.

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If u have the owners contact number, have her sign the akc cert over in appropriate place and then u can transfer akc cert over to whoever u want.....if the ownerr is agreeable, akc has no say so....just dont offer them any info ....I had a tough time when my main stud was stolen by a canine trainer in Houston , with AKC all the way around, and ever after the Judge ruled and the thief had 3 felonies on him, no one ever got their papers, and I had to declair my stud as papers blocked,,,,,as if that matters to crooked people, they just use another set of papers....some one elses that is dumb and doesnt pay attention to paperwork....

Well, let's see. The A.K.C. is infamous about the antics of some members of its staff, and a lack of uniformity converning interpretation of their rules. The dog should have had, in addition to, or in the stead of, its pedigree a registration document that should indicate who was the previous owner. That document must be completed in order to transfer the ownership of the dog. If I am not mistaken, the microchip preferred by the A.K.C. is the one issued by an organization called "Home Again." What exactly is their connection to the A.K.C.? I don't know. This is the chip that all of our dogs have. I agree with Jonah, it's BS. Bob-O

Bob, I think that AKC purchased the "Home Again" company and it is now another venue for AKC to make money! Vickie

Make money and big money....I recently made a mistake on a litter application on the number of males and had the females right...I was in a hurry , added it up, sent the check in and got apps back and when I sold the big male I wss gonna keep. I had Crissy, my webmasters dog , who passed away night before last, here with me. I gave the man an app and checked male and he sent it in and they refuse it, saying all the males were registered, had I made a mistake? I realized I had shorted myself and I gave the man the registration I had in my possession for my webmasters female, Crissy...In order to correct , it , I wrote a letter,being this is a co-owner litter, and u cant reg. anything co-owned on lline, and they sent the correction form and they ask for $50.00 to correct my one mistake plus the price of the registration to the new owner... needless to say, there will be one unreg. dog now....no way in snow in Alaska Id pay them $50.00 for a $5.00 value of correction at the least....and people cuss CKC and say crooks use that registry and they are not kosher and point fingers of disgust if people register their dogs with CKC , BUT I HAVE NEWS FOR AKC. another dog registry will take over real soon at the way they charge.....just because it is the acceptable one right now with USA and all the other clubs ,for the standard ,,,,that can change....

I think what AKC is in a twist about, the dog is a rescue, no papers go with the dog. This also may have something to do with the non-profit status of the rescue. I am sure someone on this board can anwser this better than I can.

I think the AKC rep may have been talking about transferring registration papers that are "signed in blank". That means that there must be an unbroken paperwork trail for each transfer of any AKC registered dog. If the owner of the dog that surrendered the dog signed off on the back of the AKC registration and did not fill in the part that says who the dog was tranferred to, then it was an illegal exchange in the eyes of AKC. It's not up to AKC to decided if a rescue dog can or cannot be registered. As far as I know, there is no AKC rule that says the AKC registration must be revoked on a dog that has been "impounded" and what it their definition of impounded? Next time ask to see a copy of that rule. Also this dog was chipped, it is permanently identified so there is no question about it's identity. It's not as if it were picked up off the street and someone is guessing that those are the right AKC registration papers. Frankly, if it were my dog and I wanted to register it and the registration form was already signed by the original owners, I'd just fill in my own information and sent it off along with the transfer fee to AKC. In a few weeks you should have your AKC papers. If the dog was transferred on the form to the rescue, then they need to register the dog and then transfer it to you so you can register it in your own name. Or else they can complete a supplemental transfer form declaring you to be the owner of record. The later is the AKC "legal" way to do it. The rescue would be the next owner, then you. Either way, you should be able to get this dog registered in your own name. You have to think like AKC, they want to know every hand through which an AKC registered dog passes. You might want to tell the rescue that if it's their policy to re-home dogs with their AKC registrations, then they should register those dogs in their own name and then tranfer them to the adopter or use the supplemetnal transfer forms. Most rescues I know of do not transfer the AKC papers with the dog, but that's probably because they don't have them in the first place. I see nothing wrong with a rescue transferring papers on a neutered dog, but I would have a big problem justifying doing it with a dog that was not neutered when if left the shelter. BTW the people who handle registration and the like at AKC have probably never owned or registered a dog themselves and, if they are like the rest of the customer service providers in this country, they are poorly trained and underpaid. If you ever get any verbal advice from anyone at AKC it might be prudent to ask for a written statement instead of what they have just told you. You might find out that the story changes when it's put on paper.

"If u have the owners contact number, have her sign the akc cert over in appropriate place and then u can transfer akc cert over to whoever u want" Everything was all signed for the transfer. There were 3 (yes THREE) supplemental transfer forms attached to it. "If I am not mistaken, the microchip preferred by the A.K.C. is the one issued by an organization called "Home Again." What exactly is their connection to the A.K.C.?" Yep that's the chip. I could go straight to Home Again for the info change. Normally I really don't care about papers at all but having them would just save the new owner from getting an ILP on her. The new person I have in mind for her does alot of AKC obedience and agility, and this dog needs a home that is really focused on training. And the dog is spayed so no real need for me to hold onto the papers. Every now and then I get papers with owner surrenders, but it doesn't happen often. I was just so surprised - like anything from AKC shouldn't be surprising at this point - that they wanted to yank the papers because the dog was impounded - and it was as simple as that. All the paperwork was correct. Sad that the dog is 8 months old and changed hands from the breeder to the puppy buyer, registered in the puppy buyer's name, plus the 3 transfer forms on top of it. Then shelter, then here. The rescue may transfer her to me - saw the comments on that and figured I'd reply to ease any confusion (I know I can make things very confusing! lol). I get typing too quickly and leave out details ;) Thanks for the replies. AKC sucks, we all know it. If the breeders went to a different registry, wouldn't it be nice? Then again, it's the breeders also losing money when they can't sell non-AKC puppies :( When will that ever change?