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by Jim Engel on 12 October 2012 - 22:10

The 2011 VDH GSD, that is, German Shepherds in Germany, registration
count finally came out:

      13,339,     way down from over 30,000 in the mid 1990s

Other breeds are also seeing serious fall off, but this is big business
for the SV and the German Breeders.  The SV has a paid staff of
over 100, very difficult to keep the Bureaucrats fat and happy with
falling registrations like this.

Details:

http://www.vdh.de/welpenstatistik-liste.html?suche=&sort=2011&go=Go!

susie

by susie on 13 October 2012 - 09:10

Good for the breed.....Wink Smile

by Koach on 13 October 2012 - 10:10

I agree Susie.

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 13 October 2012 - 11:10

Absolutely;  a decrease in overall GSD numbers would be no bad thing.
[Unfortunately no-one told people overbreeding non-registered dogs anywhere !]

by Jim Engel on 13 October 2012 - 11:10


"Unfortunately no-one told people overbreeding non-registered dogs anywhere !"

Actually, what is going on is partially people comeing to understand that registration
is a scam, a fraud.  More information:

http://www.angelplace.net/Book/Ch13.pdf

by Sehr Gut Wesen on 13 October 2012 - 15:10

Jim,
I tried my best to get through your link of argument, but it was quite daunting to get through as it was so wordy and not getting to the point. I was kinda getting it as I scanned over most, until I got to the Dalmatian issue..."breeding Pointers to Dalmatians to get rid of deafness." This may be true, but I am not familiar with that as the reason. It was the uric acid problem. I lost some credibility in the author of your link when I read that portion.  Uric acid is the reason.   http://www.dalmatianheritage.com/about/schaible_research.htm
 


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 13 October 2012 - 17:10

Sorry - double posted.






Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 13 October 2012 - 17:10

And long white and blue and fawn coats is a lot of the reason for overproducing
unregistered dogs, with 'pet' temperaments.   £$£$£$    The Working litters bred
outside the system is 'pissing in the ocean',  Jim;  I wasn't having a go about those.

by Jim Engel on 13 October 2012 - 17:10

Thank you for bringing the uric acid, deafness and breeding issues in the Dalmation to
my attention, I will review the literature and modify my text as necessary.
But my real point is that the "purebred" is an invention of man, and hundreds of years
of selective breeding always willing to bring in outside lines has been very successful.
I am not suggesting that we need to get rid of the concept of a breed, that the German
Shepherd Dog is a perfectly valid concept.  Most Doberman people know that to revive
the breed it would be necessary to incorporate outside breedings, perhaps Beaucerons,
or Rottweilers.  Absolutely nothing wrong with this.

In Belgium you can take any dog in the ring in any breed, and if you get a rating of
"good" from two judges you can get provisional  or pink papers.  In the third generation
it converts to full papers.  This should be more utilized, and should be normal in every
country.  "Good" by the way is a very low rating, it basically means OK this time, but
never show me that dog again.  Unfortunately, there is not a character requirement.

by Sehr Gut Wesen on 14 October 2012 - 03:10

Jim,
I found your link informative.  Here is another link that you might find of interest that has some similar issues.  Hybrid vigor created by out-crossing.  I'm not sure I like American lines but the same concept is true with other GSD lines and still stay within the breed.
http://siriusdog.com/genetic-diversity-outcrossing.htm





 


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