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EuroShepherd

by EuroShepherd on 28 August 2012 - 05:08

I came by this website last night while browsing around.  Saw this one dog whose topline was the straightest topline I can ever recall seeing....for any breed of dog, I can't see how it could get any straighter or more flat. 

I'm absolutely not promoting or criticizing the dog or kennel at all.   I just want to share the photos and get some opinions about what you think about the withers, croup and back.  I'm finding it very difficult to discern where the croup is, long? short?  
Actually, this topline is very visually appealing to me, I would prefer a tad higher withers, but otherwise, in some ways I visually prefer this croup even if it's incorrect.   I do wonder about the dog's movement though, I doubt that she gaits well but would love to see her in motion. 

Steep croups are a pet peeve of mine, to the point that I prefer an under-angled croup rather than even a slightly steep croup.


ok...you're just going to have to wait in anticipation...for some reason the photo upload thingy isn't working. 

by Ibrahim on 28 August 2012 - 08:08

I hate waiting, I hate anticipation mail

EuroShepherd

by EuroShepherd on 28 August 2012 - 08:08



lol, sorry Ibrahim.
ok...well one picture managed to show up before the photo upload thingy froze again, I've got two more to show...


EuroShepherd

by EuroShepherd on 28 August 2012 - 08:08



Ok, I give up after this pic, only going to post these two.  
I don't know if the dog was really facing down hill or if the camera was crooked when the photo was taken.

I know the shoulder assembly is lacking....but ignore it for now other the withers that add to the topline.   Not really asking for a full blown critique but instead just to wonder about the spine and croup that attribute to the straight topline.   Sure would love to see one of those standing and in-motion x-rays like I've seen that help teach about canine structure. 

Do you like it?  Do you dislike it?  What do you think the pro's and con's of having a topline like this are? 

Like I stated in my first post, I like it, I think it probably restricts range of motion in gait, but otherwise I like it. 

by FerrumGSDs on 28 August 2012 - 09:08

looks like a wolf topline
http://naturemappingfoundation.org/natmap/photos/mammals/gray_wolf_5932_np.jpg

It is a good topline, but not the direction the GDS took. I suspect it would limit underdrive of the rear and therefore stride lenght at the trot, but the rear follow through would be better on this stucture. Plenty of Sled dogs have Toplines like this and work just fine.

by Hutchins on 28 August 2012 - 10:08

Deleted by Hutchins..  Sorry

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 28 August 2012 - 12:08

He's also not stacked which can change the look dramatically to the novice eye. I like the look- far better than the crippled look of so many. Whatever range of motion might be lost, imo, would more than be made up for in the strength in other areas. As previously mentioned, wolves and sled dogs work just fine with straight backs. Can't improve on nature's design. I prefer just a *hair* less of an awkward transition into tail (to really break it down into plain English so we all know we're on the same page) but I, too, like the dog pictured. 

Here's one I like of mine:

And another...harder angle, but I look at the rear legs. I know I'm drifting from the topline a bit, but so many are so angulated that their legs never seem to straighten out underneath them. I like to look at hocks along with topline. Good topic, if no one starts picking on a particular dog...;-)


by FerrumGSDs on 28 August 2012 - 15:08

Jenni pinpointed the exact topline issue "transition into tail" croup angle. It is hard to tell what is hair and what is the true topline from just a couple images and no stack. 

BlackthornGSD

by BlackthornGSD on 28 August 2012 - 16:08

Straight toplines are not all that hard to find--as long as you aren't looking in the show ring.

Blackthorn's Hunter






by Ibrahim on 28 August 2012 - 17:08

Jenni78,

That dog you posted has incredible withers, real long and real high, very well defined withers.





 


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