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by MaggieMae on 21 July 2010 - 14:07
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by PowerHaus on 21 July 2010 - 15:07
Wow, that was crazy! I am glad you shared it though.
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
by beetree on 21 July 2010 - 16:07
100 percent recidivism without treatment!
The power of denial is an amazing thing. Very interesting, Maggs, and timely.
The power of denial is an amazing thing. Very interesting, Maggs, and timely.
by Keith Grossman on 21 July 2010 - 16:07
Interesting indeed.
by DDR-DSH on 21 July 2010 - 17:07
That was interesting. The lady with the 97 dogs in a trailer was actually pretty well organized. I don't know how anyone could do that.. caring for so many. Never had tiny dogs. Not sure if it would be easier? They take less space, but their basic needs are largely the same as a big dog.
The ammonia levels.. Well, urine contains nitrates / nitrogen and that starts to convert to ammonia almost immediately. If you put down newspaper to soak up urine, you will begin to smell the ammonia in an hour, maybe less, depending on ambient temperature and humidity. So, that in itself is not shocking.. If you have animals, you have urine and you have ammonia. Need for excellent ventilation systems in closed buildings. It's the same dynamic as a large animal ag operation.
There is a very high degree of self denial and self neglect involved in this lifestyle. It really is potentially very helpful to the hoarder / collector to have a gentle but strong intervention. They need help.. can't do it, themselves, usually.
The ammonia levels.. Well, urine contains nitrates / nitrogen and that starts to convert to ammonia almost immediately. If you put down newspaper to soak up urine, you will begin to smell the ammonia in an hour, maybe less, depending on ambient temperature and humidity. So, that in itself is not shocking.. If you have animals, you have urine and you have ammonia. Need for excellent ventilation systems in closed buildings. It's the same dynamic as a large animal ag operation.
There is a very high degree of self denial and self neglect involved in this lifestyle. It really is potentially very helpful to the hoarder / collector to have a gentle but strong intervention. They need help.. can't do it, themselves, usually.
by Sock Puppet on 21 July 2010 - 17:07
I am willing to help you get help Janice just say the word.
Love,
SP
Love,
SP
by PowerHaus on 21 July 2010 - 19:07
I thought what was most interesting was how much HEALTHIER the lady with all the little dogs looked after she moved in with her daughter! That was very striking to me!
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
by DDR-DSH on 21 July 2010 - 19:07
Yes, Sock Puppet, you dear, concerned fellow..
I am sure that you have many friends who are in the business of grabbing peoples' dogs, willing or otherwise. Otherwise seems to be fine with the Pet NAZI types.. They feed off of the fear and angst they cause.
It is perfectly legal to be "crazy" and to self neglect in the USA. Homeless people are free to live any way they want. And, since these animal "rescue" operations usually try to seek payment from the person they "help", in the form of impounds and liens, enforced using criminal code, they have set a lot of elderly people up for homelessness. There is no bankruptcy protection for any debt incurred as a result of a "criminal" conviction. Neglect is a crime.. even a misdemeanor can set up a homeowner / retiree for a huge cascade of debt. So, aside from the suffering that the animals must endure in these "rescues" (we cannot ever really find out what happens to most of the dogs, afterwards, but the rumor and personal reports are shocking), I do not see raids as being altruistic in any form.
HSUS is a very big, wealthy, powerful organization.. a "non profit", accusing small, struggling breeders of "greed".
You see where the struggle is.. Getting stuck with too many animals! You cannot predict or control the market, and just like the old time struggling farmer, who was totally dependent on vagarities of weather and suppy / demand, and going broke or walking away as a result, the small breeder is in very much the same boat. My advice to most people would be to stay out of it. Dog breeding is full of pitfalls and disappointments. I've told people this before, but people don't listen very well. The real old timers who have been doing it for 25 years or more usually end up just letting their dogs get old and die off. If you can afford it, this is the best way to go, if things aren't working out. To breed dogs as an ongoing business is a Herculean task, well nigh impossible in my opinion. People have done it, but then you have to ask yourself if that's what you really want.. no vacations, no days off, lots of social deprivation and so on. An old friend of mine described it once as "like being the only nurse in a hospital".
But, again.. HSUS, et al, including ther "kinder / gentler" spokespersons (Iike Gary Patronek), have their own agendas. HSUS has made MILLIONS.. over a hundred million in assets, last I looked.. just going after people, lobbying, legislative campaigns. I don't have much respect for anyone who makes their living off of destroying peoples' reputations and means, especially if they are in the last stages of life and alone, facing physical and mental / cognitive decline.
I attended an HSUS expo where they talked about the hoarding issue. They said they preferred the word, "hoarding", rather than "collecting" because it conveyed a different meaning. Collecting might have positive connotations, where "hoarding" is consistent with their allegations of greed / abuse.
If there were NO problems in the animal world, HSUS would have no reason to exist, much less to prosper as they have. So, naturally, they want to exaggerate and maybe even compound the problems. Right now, the horse industry is reeling from the closure of slaughterhouses. There is no answer for a lot of people who can no longer keep their horses. HSUS will not take any responsibility for the problems, I am certain. If anything, they stand in a good position to exploit the problems they have helped to create... willingly, wittingly, or otherwise.
I am sure that you have many friends who are in the business of grabbing peoples' dogs, willing or otherwise. Otherwise seems to be fine with the Pet NAZI types.. They feed off of the fear and angst they cause.
It is perfectly legal to be "crazy" and to self neglect in the USA. Homeless people are free to live any way they want. And, since these animal "rescue" operations usually try to seek payment from the person they "help", in the form of impounds and liens, enforced using criminal code, they have set a lot of elderly people up for homelessness. There is no bankruptcy protection for any debt incurred as a result of a "criminal" conviction. Neglect is a crime.. even a misdemeanor can set up a homeowner / retiree for a huge cascade of debt. So, aside from the suffering that the animals must endure in these "rescues" (we cannot ever really find out what happens to most of the dogs, afterwards, but the rumor and personal reports are shocking), I do not see raids as being altruistic in any form.
HSUS is a very big, wealthy, powerful organization.. a "non profit", accusing small, struggling breeders of "greed".
You see where the struggle is.. Getting stuck with too many animals! You cannot predict or control the market, and just like the old time struggling farmer, who was totally dependent on vagarities of weather and suppy / demand, and going broke or walking away as a result, the small breeder is in very much the same boat. My advice to most people would be to stay out of it. Dog breeding is full of pitfalls and disappointments. I've told people this before, but people don't listen very well. The real old timers who have been doing it for 25 years or more usually end up just letting their dogs get old and die off. If you can afford it, this is the best way to go, if things aren't working out. To breed dogs as an ongoing business is a Herculean task, well nigh impossible in my opinion. People have done it, but then you have to ask yourself if that's what you really want.. no vacations, no days off, lots of social deprivation and so on. An old friend of mine described it once as "like being the only nurse in a hospital".
But, again.. HSUS, et al, including ther "kinder / gentler" spokespersons (Iike Gary Patronek), have their own agendas. HSUS has made MILLIONS.. over a hundred million in assets, last I looked.. just going after people, lobbying, legislative campaigns. I don't have much respect for anyone who makes their living off of destroying peoples' reputations and means, especially if they are in the last stages of life and alone, facing physical and mental / cognitive decline.
I attended an HSUS expo where they talked about the hoarding issue. They said they preferred the word, "hoarding", rather than "collecting" because it conveyed a different meaning. Collecting might have positive connotations, where "hoarding" is consistent with their allegations of greed / abuse.
If there were NO problems in the animal world, HSUS would have no reason to exist, much less to prosper as they have. So, naturally, they want to exaggerate and maybe even compound the problems. Right now, the horse industry is reeling from the closure of slaughterhouses. There is no answer for a lot of people who can no longer keep their horses. HSUS will not take any responsibility for the problems, I am certain. If anything, they stand in a good position to exploit the problems they have helped to create... willingly, wittingly, or otherwise.
by PowerHaus on 21 July 2010 - 20:07
My Lord! Would you 2 get a fucking life! Why you gotta go and bomb a normal thread with your bullshit? DDR, can't you just let something go?
Fucktards!
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
Fucktards!
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
by MaggieMae on 21 July 2010 - 20:07
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