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leciesters doghandler

by leciesters doghandler on 18 July 2010 - 15:07

its a daft question and its just out of curiosity i just wanted to know if dogs have the intelligence to decide weather they want to commit suicide its a stupid question i know but i was just Curious

by bazza on 18 July 2010 - 16:07

PRICELESS!!!!

GSDtravels

by GSDtravels on 18 July 2010 - 16:07

I doubt very much if a dog is capable of the mental processes it would take to decide and carry out their own suicide.  I would think a dumb dog could very well just leap into harm's way, but I don't think he/she would have reasoned the scenario and concluded that death would follow and be pleased about it.  I'm not a doggie psychologist, but I would say a definite NO.

GSDguy08

by GSDguy08 on 18 July 2010 - 17:07

Is this a serious question......come on, seriously?

Kalibeck

by Kalibeck on 18 July 2010 - 17:07

I think that dogs DO suffer from depression, & can alter their life expectancy by their own actions, but whether this is a planned sort of thing, I don't know. But I have seen very sad dogs, separated from their beloved owner or companion, stop eating, give up playing, & just, well, give up. Personally, that's a sort of suicide, if not one deliberated upon, the results can be the same. Does that make any sense? jackie harris

TIG

by TIG on 18 July 2010 - 17:07

Would have to agree with GSDtravels but want to add this.

I have seen old dogs "hold on" long past their time when their owner just was not ready to let them go.

Also years ago our family doc had a GSD .  The reason I now have them - a good old boy by the name of Dukey. When Duke was well along in years, the family was at it's summer house by the lake and Dr. Steve  decided that as much as he regretted it and did not want to the time had come for Duke to be pts.  He went out to go to the drugstore to get some ether to do it and Dukey was lying in the sun having a nap so he stopped and patted him and talked to him and then went on his errand.   When he came back Duke was still lying in the sun - but he had died.  
 
I know Dr. Steve always felt that Duke chose his time to go to make it easier on his human.

By the way this was a dog who as a pup, figured out the milkman had butter in his truck and that when he walked up to a house to deliver the milk, the truck was open for the taking. Interesting part is he would never steal on his own street - only on the one up from them.


GSDguy08

by GSDguy08 on 18 July 2010 - 17:07

Once again we try to pretend dogs are our equals in that they do everything we do,.  So many owners believe dogs are like humans whether they say it or not.  I'm saying 100% that they do not commit suicide.  Sure dogs can mourn for a time, that is normal.....but if the owner never helps the dog move on, or the owner themselves hasn't moved on, yeah the dog can still show a decline like that.

A pack of wolves in the wild, always lose a member at some point, but for survival they continue moving on, they still hunt, eat, and travel.  We put animals in our homes and make the animals dependent on us, we claim they have all of our emotions, and we treat them like little children (and don't say people don't do that, we all know people who do)........no wonder so many people have problems with dogs.   Though it is normal for dogs to mourn,  if it has been a ridiculous amount of time, then I personally believe it's the owner not moving on, or not helping the dog move on.  I say that as in,  we all know how are dogs are in tune to our emotions.....especially the GSD breed.  If we're stil not over it, how can you expect a dog to who may have been as bonded to the dog as you were?

I have seen and worked with many "sad" dogs, dogs who have had someone in the family pass away, lost another dog, etc.     I just can't agree with someone saying they are able to think about and actually go through with commiting suicide, I just find that foolish.


MaggieMae

by MaggieMae on 18 July 2010 - 17:07

Er.....No.  


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 18 July 2010 - 17:07

Give up,
thats a very good answer Jackie.

Many animals are capable of just giving up.
They can also put themselves knowingly in harms way, but only humans actually take their own lives as far as I know.
Only humans are capable of murder, it's a human term involving morality.
Animals have no such notions about morality or mortality.  Survival is simple, life or death.
Humans and animals do not suffer in the same way for starters.
Imagination is what's different between animals and humans.  
And only humans have the imagination to know how to end their own suffering by their own means.  
The only thing that has ever puzzled me are whales who beach themselves,  these are highly intelligent animals.
I always thought they were more trying to escape from something possibly a man made threat.
Many animals mourn the death of another animal, this shows some knowledge of life and death and an emotional response.  
But in time they go on to survive and continue living, survival instinct.
I believe giving up and suicide are related, but only humans have the knowledge to hurry the process.
I consider it a weakness for some, and courage in others.

So.....
yes animals can give up, the only problem is the terms we use to describe the act.
It's a human term.

The question as it is asked?  
Can dogs commit suicide?
No would be my answer.

leciesters doghandler

by leciesters doghandler on 18 July 2010 - 17:07


 like i said DAFT question i heard it today at work and i laughed myself but just wanted to run it by you guys to see if there was any truth in what was said i knew depression in dogs can happen but never committing suicide






 


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