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Ramage

by Ramage on 05 June 2010 - 21:06

I am really upset as this was a breeding I have been looking forward to for quite a while. We planned to keep any and possibly all males out of this litter to train and evaluate as our next stud/competition dog. We have been preparing for this breeding for months now (all of the testing, yadda yadda) and when the bitch finally appeared to come into season she did not "swell" very much. She has stayed fairly small and has not really swelled to what I consider a normal size (this is not her first heat cycle as she is a 3 year old). However, every other sign has been classic. Bleeding until day 12 and became very receptive towards the male on day 15. We did not manage to get a tie on day 15, but I didn't worry overly much. We're now on day 16 and the male has actually penetrated several times, but it is almost as if something is blocking his pathway.

I have had 6 successful litters in my lifetime and have never had this much trouble with a breeding.

So, after doing some research I see that a vulva that fails to swell properly is often times a sign of being too narrow for the male to accomodate. Several websites suggest AI. My issue is not with AI, but with the ethics of breeding a dog with a conformational defect. My concerns are that if she is too narrow for a natural mating, will she also be too narrow for an easy delivery? I do not want to breed a bitch that is going to be a guaranteed C-section. I also worry about passing this defect onto offpspring.

So, have any of you breeders out there had this issue before? If you did use AI, how did the delivery go? Did you check to see if any offspring had the same defect?

I am wanting to do research on this problem before deciding if we should actually breed this bitch. This is my dream breeding and I see my future dream pup flushing down the toilet, but at the same time I don't want to breed if this is a serious defect with future ill consequences. Anyhow, would love to hear from anyone with similar experiences.


GSDtravels

by GSDtravels on 05 June 2010 - 23:06

I have no advice for you, as I'm not a breeder, so have no experience.  But, kudos to you for being concerned about passing on a defect.  As heartbreaking as it may be for you, I must comment positively on the fact that you care, not only about your bitch's welfare, but about future generations. 

by Jody on 05 June 2010 - 23:06

she may just have a vaginal stricture..   which alot of times will  go away with the birth of the puppies..  you or your vet can do a physical exam and determine this quite easily..

Judy P

by Judy P on 05 June 2010 - 23:06

I have a bitch who does not swell much at all when in season.  The first time she was bred we did all the target testing ended up doing an AI and nothing.  When she came in season the next time she bred naturally one time.  She was still not swollen like I have seen other bitches.  Was I suprised when the litter my vet had told me would be 6 - 8 puppies ended up being 13.  She whelped normally with no problems and all puppies are alive and doing well 3 weeks later. 

Personally I have no problem with Ai, infact my next litter will be to a male who is deceased - we are using frozen semen and doing a surgical AI.  In my opinion the best thing a breeder can do is to do the progesterone testing starting at day 5 to make sure you do not miss the right day.

by gsdlvr2 on 06 June 2010 - 00:06

 Sent you PM

dogshome9

by dogshome9 on 06 June 2010 - 00:06

I also think that it is possible she has a stricture, most good stud dogs are able to deal with this. Have her checked by your vet and if necessary do an AI. Don't worry when the time comes for her to whelp it will be fine, she will pass the puppies ok.

On the other hand I have a bitch that I was going to breed last year (she was not a maiden) but she just did not swell as she usually does, I did progesterone testing and when she was ready took her to the stud dog (who is very experienced) and he was just  not interested and she was very aggressive towards him, on her previous mating with another stud dog 2 years ago she was quite the tart. I tried her over 4 days and no mating.
She has just come on heat at the moment so I am hoping for a better result with another stud this time around. It will be interesting to see if she swells as normal.

by Abhay on 06 June 2010 - 00:06

There are bitches with hooded Vaginas. Penetration by the male is basically impossible and very painful. A top Surgeon can perform a vaginal lift, and break down (rupture) the persistant hyman.   After the surgery, the bitch can breed and deliver pups with no problem.


BlackthornGSD

by BlackthornGSD on 06 June 2010 - 01:06

I think that the first thing to do would be to have a the bitch examined by a vet and also do progesterone testing. Then proceed with more information at hand to better know what the actual problem is.

As it is, the problem could be that her heat hasn't progressed enough yet (I have one female who breeds best around Day 24), or it might be that you missed it and she's on the way out of season, or she might be having a split heat, or she might have a stricture or an inverted vulva. So, the first problem here is that you don't know what the problem is, and there's no point in debating the ethics of doing/not doing an AI when that may not be the solution in the first place.

Christine

Uber Land

by Uber Land on 06 June 2010 - 01:06

I've dealt with 2 or 3 different bitches with this problem and refuse to breed them.  all german showlines infact.
I am of the opinion if it can't be done naturally,  then there's probably a reason.  mother nature tends to know more than we do!

that said,  I've seen other breeders do surgical AI's every breeding and the bitch does fine.  pups are whelped fine without needing a c-section.  I know of one bitch who just could never breed naturally, her breeder did surgical AI everytime,  and has kept daughters from her.  I don't know if the daughters are breeding age yet and if so, if they've had any issue's being bred,  but I've seen it run in lines.





 


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