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by Babyblues on 14 May 2010 - 02:05
Does anyone know of a showline/workingline cross breeding that was a linebreeding off a workingline dog?
by Two Moons on 14 May 2010 - 02:05
LOL...
by Babyblues on 14 May 2010 - 02:05
What do you fine funny Two Moons?
by VonIsengard on 14 May 2010 - 02:05
Why is that funny? It's on honest question. I had a work/show cross male that was linebred on Fedor Arminius, why could one not be linebred on the working side of the pedigree as well?
It's not really possible in a first generation WL/SL cross, but it is in a multi-gen cross. I think this is actually a great idea if one is seriously considering crossing lines. I think the one of the biggest obstacles in this type of breeding is lack of consistency and type in litters, which careful and well researched linebreeding could potentially corrrect.
It would require a commitment of several generations, choosing the correct dog to linebreed on, and choosing the right showlines to compliment. A fine dog like Bomber (I do adore that dog), linebred into showlines going back to Mutz...would be interesting indeed.
It's not really possible in a first generation WL/SL cross, but it is in a multi-gen cross. I think this is actually a great idea if one is seriously considering crossing lines. I think the one of the biggest obstacles in this type of breeding is lack of consistency and type in litters, which careful and well researched linebreeding could potentially corrrect.
It would require a commitment of several generations, choosing the correct dog to linebreed on, and choosing the right showlines to compliment. A fine dog like Bomber (I do adore that dog), linebred into showlines going back to Mutz...would be interesting indeed.
by Two Moons on 14 May 2010 - 02:05
I don't think finding a cross with linebreeding on the working side would be hard to find.
by VonIsengard on 14 May 2010 - 02:05
No, but finding one with linebreeding on both sides would be significantly less common and likely the result of careful planning. I'd be curious to know if anyone has done this.
by Two Moons on 14 May 2010 - 02:05
Mixing lines?
They might be hesitant to bring it up around here....lol
Just kidding of course.
They might be hesitant to bring it up around here....lol
Just kidding of course.
by steve1 on 14 May 2010 - 06:05
Let me say this and i mean it in a nice way, There are horses for courses and so it is with Show lines and Working Lines all this has been bought up before
Now i know little about the Showing of a G.S dog so yesterday i went to a good Show, Well there were a few 100 dogs competing and walking around from 9 -10 week old Pups to old Dogs all but about 4 were of the Show line of course it was a Show Dog event, My Izzy was one of the four i did see, and the Show Guys did not really give her a second glance She stuck out like a sore thumb
No one can tell me and this is my observation only that a Show Line would ever improve the work that of a Working Line dog
and i cannot see that crossing them will improve the Show line to any extent whether line bred or no either side or both sides
They are as different as Chalk and Cheese in both Stature and in Temperament,
We have two such crosses in one of our Training Clubs, they are okay and the owners love them but they say that the two Dogs will never be of any standard to get anywhere in the Sport side they know this they do not have the fire in there bellies or the aptitude to work as the real Working line does, nothing wrong with that they are for another Sport and they are good at it
To me they are completely different dogs in the temperament and Physical attributes, Something i would never even think about doing, But it takes all sorts and some must try it out
Steve1
Now i know little about the Showing of a G.S dog so yesterday i went to a good Show, Well there were a few 100 dogs competing and walking around from 9 -10 week old Pups to old Dogs all but about 4 were of the Show line of course it was a Show Dog event, My Izzy was one of the four i did see, and the Show Guys did not really give her a second glance She stuck out like a sore thumb
No one can tell me and this is my observation only that a Show Line would ever improve the work that of a Working Line dog
and i cannot see that crossing them will improve the Show line to any extent whether line bred or no either side or both sides
They are as different as Chalk and Cheese in both Stature and in Temperament,
We have two such crosses in one of our Training Clubs, they are okay and the owners love them but they say that the two Dogs will never be of any standard to get anywhere in the Sport side they know this they do not have the fire in there bellies or the aptitude to work as the real Working line does, nothing wrong with that they are for another Sport and they are good at it
To me they are completely different dogs in the temperament and Physical attributes, Something i would never even think about doing, But it takes all sorts and some must try it out
Steve1
by Red Sable on 14 May 2010 - 08:05
Is Canto vom Amicos not a showline? ( Is this the dog that had hemophilia?)
Anyway, he is in Bombers pedigree, here is his sire, he sure looks showlline
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/823.html
How about V Uwe vom Kirschental?
Going back a few generations, but both of my workingline dogs have showline somewhere in their pedigree already.
Anyway, he is in Bombers pedigree, here is his sire, he sure looks showlline
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/823.html
How about V Uwe vom Kirschental?
Going back a few generations, but both of my workingline dogs have showline somewhere in their pedigree already.
by BlackthornGSD on 14 May 2010 - 13:05
Uwe v Kirschental was "workinglines" at least in the sense that he's in many working dog pedigrees and almost no show pedigrees.
Canto vom Amicos is not the Canto known for hemophilia; I believe that's Canto Weinerau, who is, in fact, one of the major dogs who helps define the working/show split, as he was little used for working breeding and much used for show breeding.
You're looking back at the "show" dogs from the 70s--before the working/show split. The split is partly a result of things like Uwe Kirschental and Jupp Haller Farm being used more in the working dogs and less in the show dogs.
You see that every now and then a show-line dog will be bred into the workinglines and the progeny are bred back to working dogs, but I doubt that you could find a top show dog that has anything other than show dogs in his/her first 6 generations. (For purposes of discussion, I define "top show dog" as one who places VA or top 10 V in a US, Canada, or German Sieger Show.)
Canto vom Amicos is not the Canto known for hemophilia; I believe that's Canto Weinerau, who is, in fact, one of the major dogs who helps define the working/show split, as he was little used for working breeding and much used for show breeding.
You're looking back at the "show" dogs from the 70s--before the working/show split. The split is partly a result of things like Uwe Kirschental and Jupp Haller Farm being used more in the working dogs and less in the show dogs.
You see that every now and then a show-line dog will be bred into the workinglines and the progeny are bred back to working dogs, but I doubt that you could find a top show dog that has anything other than show dogs in his/her first 6 generations. (For purposes of discussion, I define "top show dog" as one who places VA or top 10 V in a US, Canada, or German Sieger Show.)
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