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by blair built gsd on 11 May 2010 - 04:05
Hello guys, i have been reading post on here for a couple of years now and i want to know how you breeders better the breed? I dont want to make anyone mad and i am not calling anyone out this is for my education and others. Every time a person gets on here and bashes a breeder for not being in it to better the breed they never say what needs to be done to do that. I have my own ideas and i understand that everone has a little diffrent idea thats why we have so many breeders but i want to know what you guys think. So give me the truth and maybe we can learn something and we will consider staying inside the standard as a given.
by nonacona60 on 11 May 2010 - 04:05
Someone tried asking a question about an ad they read, not using breeders name or name of the dogs in the ad. Someone on here decided to start trouble and called the owner of the ad. So be careful what you ask and be very careful how you word things on here.
by VonIsengard on 11 May 2010 - 04:05
For starters, the phrase "better the breed" gets me everytime. There is no bettering the German Shepherd Dog. The breed is defined by its standard and there is no need to improve on the standard. I prefer the phrase, "upholding the breed". 
Even breeders who breed within the standard have something specific in mind they want to breed. I believe firmly there is absolutely room for more than one type of GSD, and so long as the breeder upholds the SV standard or has a similar screening system, they are doing the breed justice.
Is a top top super high energy, high drive, BSP quality dog suitable for a family who wants a GSD for companionship? Likely not, nor would the dog be happy there. Does it mean said family has no business owning a GSD? I don't believe so, not when there are othe rlines, other types of GSD who still meet the standard qualifications for breeding. Would an experienced WUSV handler be happy with a showline dog with average to slightly above average work? Certainly not and understandably so.
I don't think any type of GSD should be sneered at by anyone who prefers a different type, so long as they meet the standard, they all have their place.
I think a more pertinent question with more enlightening answers would be, "What are you doing to uphold the GSD and what is your view of an ideal dog?"
My taste runs toward showline dogs, however, I do not care for extremes in angulation, nor do I have tolerance for poor work. I also am very fond of workingline dogs with V quality structure and a calm demeanor. I like middle ground type dogs, so my goal will be to produce that. It is my personal opinion that extremes in body and mind are harmful for the future of the breed.
Even breeders who breed within the standard have something specific in mind they want to breed. I believe firmly there is absolutely room for more than one type of GSD, and so long as the breeder upholds the SV standard or has a similar screening system, they are doing the breed justice.
Is a top top super high energy, high drive, BSP quality dog suitable for a family who wants a GSD for companionship? Likely not, nor would the dog be happy there. Does it mean said family has no business owning a GSD? I don't believe so, not when there are othe rlines, other types of GSD who still meet the standard qualifications for breeding. Would an experienced WUSV handler be happy with a showline dog with average to slightly above average work? Certainly not and understandably so.
I don't think any type of GSD should be sneered at by anyone who prefers a different type, so long as they meet the standard, they all have their place.
I think a more pertinent question with more enlightening answers would be, "What are you doing to uphold the GSD and what is your view of an ideal dog?"
My taste runs toward showline dogs, however, I do not care for extremes in angulation, nor do I have tolerance for poor work. I also am very fond of workingline dogs with V quality structure and a calm demeanor. I like middle ground type dogs, so my goal will be to produce that. It is my personal opinion that extremes in body and mind are harmful for the future of the breed.
by GSDoogieMom10 on 11 May 2010 - 04:05
Im sure others will bash me for this but its a free country eh?
IMHO
a responsible breeder should do studying not only on a physical dog but also a pedigree of each dog. See what the dogs in the pedigree are known for see if you can find any problems that may be hereditary. Not only just in your first few generations but also go further back 6 7 generations. Look at your Pros, there is no perfect dog. As for the possible parents access their temperments toeards people towards animals, are they sound, level headed etc etc. Many things a breeder should take into consideration that now a days many dont they just worry bout $$$ signs and hey who doesnt want a shephered. To better the gsd start by keeping the positive, Diluting the Negative as much as possible. Dont dilute your strong lines but also strenghten your weak lines or if possible try to eliminate them.
Hope this gives you an idea. Its just my opinion, Im sure others may agree with somethings and disagree with other things and IM SURE SOME will disagree with all and put words in my mouth LoL..
IMHO
a responsible breeder should do studying not only on a physical dog but also a pedigree of each dog. See what the dogs in the pedigree are known for see if you can find any problems that may be hereditary. Not only just in your first few generations but also go further back 6 7 generations. Look at your Pros, there is no perfect dog. As for the possible parents access their temperments toeards people towards animals, are they sound, level headed etc etc. Many things a breeder should take into consideration that now a days many dont they just worry bout $$$ signs and hey who doesnt want a shephered. To better the gsd start by keeping the positive, Diluting the Negative as much as possible. Dont dilute your strong lines but also strenghten your weak lines or if possible try to eliminate them.
Hope this gives you an idea. Its just my opinion, Im sure others may agree with somethings and disagree with other things and IM SURE SOME will disagree with all and put words in my mouth LoL..
by blair built gsd on 11 May 2010 - 04:05
Non i dont understand what you mean i said i am not calling anyone out i am asking for my own education. KC nice answer you are pretty close to my idea also i think they are all around dogs but we have enough lines now we can pick witch one does what the best or better. If we breed in the standard and the parents of the litter are healthy and excellent in the aspect that we are looking for i think its a good breeding would you agree? Thats about the best you can ask for i think its healthy and good at doing what you want it to do seeing eye dog all the way to couch dog rite?
by Two Moons on 11 May 2010 - 04:05
Better the breed,
I love it too KCzaja.
Depends on who's eyes your looking through wouldn't it?
Define the breed.
There are too many variations to make the claim that your going to improve the breed.
Simply put you breed selectively generation after generation.
Problem is deciding on your goals, and is it really an improvement.
The breed as I see it, with all it's variations needs no improvement, this is the most versatile dog of all the breeds in my opinion.
I love it too KCzaja.
Depends on who's eyes your looking through wouldn't it?
Define the breed.
There are too many variations to make the claim that your going to improve the breed.
Simply put you breed selectively generation after generation.
Problem is deciding on your goals, and is it really an improvement.
The breed as I see it, with all it's variations needs no improvement, this is the most versatile dog of all the breeds in my opinion.
by blair built gsd on 11 May 2010 - 05:05
I dont think theres much that can be bettered myself but we can expand on certain traits that we like. To me thats the best you can do find two dogs that have what you want and are healthy of course and go for it. I like to find two in a perfect world that would make up for any weakness the outher may have if you know what i mean.
by Q Man on 11 May 2010 - 14:05
I think to better the Breed you must better the Breeder...And this is called Knowledge...Knowledge is what makes us make good decisions...So many Breeders or people that want to be Breeders have been asked what is your goal when you breed...And you hear..."Well I want to produce Police Dogs...and Schutzhund Dogs...and Personal Protection Dogs and Good Pets"...What kind of answer is that...To me it's no answer at all...but someone who doesn't have a goal in mind...But they are looking for a dog that works...
I think too many people want to be breeders but they don't want to put the time...money and effort into learning what it is they really want to do or to produce...It takes time to learn the different qualities of any dog...But the German Shepherd is certainly not an easy breed to learn...There are so many variables to it...
I think one of the best ways to learn is still the old fashioned way...and that is to place yourself under someone who knows what they're doing and absorb all you can from them...And at the same time keep an open mind to other ideas and changes...
I think so many people in the US have come a long ways in their knowledge of breeding...This has taken a long long time...and a lot of money...
The German Shepherd will never go back to what it used to be...One Breed...it is now at least two distinct lines and they will never come together again...The idea should now be to make these lines as good as possible...So the Showline people need to learn what it takes to make a good Showline GSD...and the Workingline people need to breed as high a quality dog as possible...
This has become such a small world and to learn about anything we must learn from each other...What works for one can be learned and used by others...We should share our knowledge with others and learn from each other...
~Bob~
I think too many people want to be breeders but they don't want to put the time...money and effort into learning what it is they really want to do or to produce...It takes time to learn the different qualities of any dog...But the German Shepherd is certainly not an easy breed to learn...There are so many variables to it...
I think one of the best ways to learn is still the old fashioned way...and that is to place yourself under someone who knows what they're doing and absorb all you can from them...And at the same time keep an open mind to other ideas and changes...
I think so many people in the US have come a long ways in their knowledge of breeding...This has taken a long long time...and a lot of money...
The German Shepherd will never go back to what it used to be...One Breed...it is now at least two distinct lines and they will never come together again...The idea should now be to make these lines as good as possible...So the Showline people need to learn what it takes to make a good Showline GSD...and the Workingline people need to breed as high a quality dog as possible...
This has become such a small world and to learn about anything we must learn from each other...What works for one can be learned and used by others...We should share our knowledge with others and learn from each other...
~Bob~
by blair built gsd on 12 May 2010 - 04:05
Sure is alot of good dogs out there for a breeder to say i am bettering the breed i think. How about we say we are doing are best to keep the breed great . I think thats all a good breeder can do pick out the style of gsd they like for what they want to do with it get the best lines you can to start make sure the health is there and the smarts. If you do that and have a little luck match the stud to the bitch to cover any weakness you have a good start i think.
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