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Renofan2

by Renofan2 on 09 March 2010 - 19:03

Libby had a cyst on her tail which burst a week ago.  When I took her to the vet they recommended removing it because she had already started to bite it.  (She just had a cyst removed from her hip in November that turned out non cancerous).  I decided to have it removed.  When I picked her up they told me that there was not alot of skin left so they were not sure if it would heal - possibly will need to amputate part of the tail.  Today my sister in law who checks on the dogs told me that Libby got ouf of the Cone collar and had chewed the end of her tail to the bone.   She took her back to the vet for me and they told me she chewed the end of her tail to the bone trying to get the wrap off.  They recommended ampuating today, but since I work 2 hours away from home I wanted to stop and think before I decide what to do.  He told me if they would take approx 5 inches off - which would be right above where the incision is for the cyst removal.  I asked what was to stop her from trying to get to her tail and bite it again after amputating part.  He told me tail wounds were difficult and it is very possible that she would be back in to have it amputated to the point that it would be the length of a rottie or boxes.

My question is, has anyone else gone thru this?  I ordered a no bite collar to use as well.  Would sedating her while I am at work help??  I don't want to put her thru surgery again unless I have to and if I have to amputate, I want to do what is best for her so she does not have to. 

If you have an experience with this, would you please share.  I just want to do what is best for Libby.


by hexe on 10 March 2010 - 03:03

How old is Libby?  That she would chew her tail down to the bone concerns me, because that sounds like it was more than just trying to get the bandage off, and makes me wonder if she could be having referred spinal or hip pain that's stimulating the nerves of the tail and causing her to chew the tail to seek relief... If that's what's behind her damaging her tail to that extent, she'll keep trying to relieve the sensation by chewing whatever's left of her tail after amputation unless the root of the problem is resolved. 

Tail wounds are hard to get healed, in part because it's hard to protect the tail from banging against things and reopening the wound or sutured area... And with you working two hours away from home, that leaves a lot of time for her to bother the tail again, even if you were to have the amputation done.  Would it be possible to drop her off at the vet's in the morning and have them observe her for a few days until the present damage has had some time to heal a bit better?  Some vets will do 'day boarding' for pets that need observation while the owner is at work, and that might be the best route to go for Libby, whether she needs the amputation or not, to give the damaged tail it's best shot at healing. 

Hexe had a cyst on her tail when she was a yearling, and after keeping it bandaged for a day, we removed the dressings and made a padded protective 'cast' for the area that worked out well and didn't bother or annoy her. Used a piece of that styrofoam insulation tubing used to slip over water pipes to keep them from freezing.  Measured out how long we wanted the cast to be, marked on the tubing where the incision site would be located and then cut out a hole large enough to keep the foam tube from putting any pressure on the wound or it's edges.  The back side of the tubing is pre-slit so you can slip it over pipes, which also allowed us to spread the cast open and place it around the tail. Poked holes on either side of the slit to permit a shoelace to be threaded through it, so it could be secured once it was on the tail. Using VetWrap, wrapped the tail--loosely but firmly--starting a few inches above the wound, ending a few inches below it, but being careful to avoid actually covering the wound with the VetWrap; this keeps the tubing from slipping once it's on the tail. 

Hope things improve for Libby and she recovers from this soon.


Renofan2

by Renofan2 on 10 March 2010 - 03:03

Hexe:

Thank you for responding.  Libby will be 9 in June.  Your comment about possible spinal or hip pain has me concerned.   I noticed a few months back is that she occassionally gets knocked over from the other dogs.  It does not happen often, but enough that I took notice a few months back.  She also got obsessed about a cyst that was on her hip back in November and started chewing it, so I had that removed.  I also thought of taking her to the vet for the day.  Just wondering if a few days will be enough as her tail was rewrapped 5 days ago.  It was healing nicely, but now she has done damage to the end of her tail.   I do have someone come and let the dogs out at 11:45 and 4:30 everyday and I work from home one day a week, but she is alone long enough the 4 days I have to drive to the office to get into trouble.  I am home tomorrow and will contact the vet to discuss options.  The padded cast sounds intersting.  If I could keep her from banging her tail around (she loves to wag it, alot) maybe she will have a chance.  I have a new cone on her and ordered a no bite collar.  Hopefully if I use both and can get her to daycare at the vet while I am at work I can save her tail.

Cheryl

by hexe on 10 March 2010 - 04:03

Is she on anything for pain control (Rimadyl, Metacam, etc.)?  Might want to ask the vet about trying her on some tramadol--if she's responding to referred pain from arthritis in the hips and/or spine, the tramadol would help with that (especially if the pain is related to arthritis or disk compression in the spine--tramadol is quite useful for that type of pain), and would also have a slight sedative effect as well.  It can also be safely given along with NSAIDs (Rimadyl, etc.), if she's already on one of those.  Given that you've noticed she's not as steady on her feet as she used to be--and none of us are as we age, so no shame in that!--it wouldn't surprise me at all if what you've been seeing is a response to referred pain. Example:  several years ago, the first clue I had that Hexe had something going on with her spine was when she suddenly starting chewing a spot on her flank raw a few months after she'd taken a hard body slam from my other dog, Suess.  After this happened a few times, I had the orthopedist @ Michigan State take a look at her, and on x-ray we found slight compression at the L2-L3 area of the spine--which is the section of the spine just above where Hexe had been chewing herself.  Started the tramadol then and the problem was solved (although the disk compression could only be resolved surgically, but it never became severe enough to warrant going that route).

Sounds like you've got a good plan of attack at this point, and if the problem is referred pain, that should be able to be dealt with readily enough to save her tail after all. 


Renofan2

by Renofan2 on 10 March 2010 - 04:03

Hexe:  She is on rimadyl.  I will call the vet in the morning and ask about tramadyl.  I appreciate the advice.  Glad to hear that your Hexe did not need surgery.  Hopefully all this will work!

Cheryl



by hexe on 10 March 2010 - 04:03

Cheryl-- make sure you ask about tramaDOL, not tramadyl. 

Renofan2

by Renofan2 on 10 March 2010 - 12:03

Hexe:
Correction noted.  Thank you.  I will let you know how it works out.

Cheryl

Renofan2

by Renofan2 on 30 March 2010 - 00:03

Update:  I have been able to keep Libby from bothering with her tail for the past 3 weeks, however there is no longer any blood supply to the end of her tail.  She did too much damage when she chewed the bandage off and the wound did not heal.  We decided to amputate her tail tomorrow.   This will be her 3rd surgery since Thanksgiving, and hopefully will be her last.

Cheryl

by Luvmidog on 30 March 2010 - 01:03

Not uncommon for females to chew a wound to the bone. It itches and they are cleanly and they just keep at it., licking unknowlngly on and on till flesh comes off., after they tear off the bandages..Dogs do not like bandages or foreign things on their bodies.

Some vets make  their own cone out of a large bucket , hole in middle , with lots of cushion and duck tape. Have to keep eye on it so not to slit the throat..If hole is only barely large enough to get on, dog will not get off.

Funny site to see a dog trying to drink with a bucket on her head..bumping into things until they get the hang of it.

Her nickname becomes " Buckethead"

lmd


GSDSRULE

by GSDSRULE on 30 March 2010 - 03:03

I hope this surgery takes care of the problem for good.





 


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