critique these please..Purebred longcoat or ??? - Page 6

Ok, again a tremendous amount of my post got cut off.

I housed a litter out of Elza and Darko (Bonnie Leck's female) for her from the time they were 5 1/2 weeks old till they were 7 months old and these puppies were supposed to be sold for Bonnie by me from my kennel.  She wanted such a high price and the mother's pedigree wasnt all that good and the economy was horrible and she never placed the newspaper adds she said she was going to place!  I also had a litter on the ground out of ZJangles v. Kraftwerk and Valko Legener Mere.  Both litters contracted Parvo.  I chose to treat Bonnies litter over mine and could not afford to treat both litters.  Nearly everyone of her pups was saved while I lost 6 of my own.  Bonnie never offered at anytime to help with their expenses or feeding or care in general.  When I received $700 in tickets from Animal Control I called Bonnie and told her I had to bring HER puppies back to her.  When I brought them back she told me that she would advertise them for sale and if she couldn't sell them in a week she would euthanize them.  There was one male in the litter and she did tell me that she had a home for him and she would neuter him herself.  Herself???  Yep. She told me she would give him some sedative (class 3 Narcotic injectable) and do it HERSELF at her kennel.  People, this is a 7 MONTH old puppy that she is going to sedate and neuter.....butcher shop style........her self at her kennel!  To me that is just wrong on so many levels!  I wonder how the DEA would feel about keeping class 3 injectable narcotics at her kennel????  Wonder how her vet would feel knowing his license could be in jeopardy for giving/selling her injectable narcotics to keep at her house?!? 

Anyway, I was devastated that she would euthanize the puppies I worked so hard to save.  HELL, I spent a fortune on their care and stayed awake at night worrying about wheather they would live or not!

So, again, tell me I am bad!

Vickie
PowerHaus

There are so many things here, on so many levels that don't add up!  If this female was so aggressive that she wouldn't let a male near her, how was she "accidently" bred when there were no intact males on the premises and they "never witnessed any males around"?  Does this mean, while in heat. she was left to roam, alone?  That makes absolutely NO sense, in any way.  She did not impregnate herself.  Obviously, there's more here than meets the eye and way too many excuses.

I stated above that Quark was with a friend of mine and her family while in her last heat because, to be honest, I did not have a place to live for a couple weeks at that time.  I was never told that she was allowed to run and I know they have no males of thier own.  You can call it excuses all you want.  When I attempted to breed her to Darko she would beat the shit out of him, I even did AI at my expense as I didn't want to risk injury to Darko.  What breeder in their right mind would keep someone elses bitch for 9 months for FREE!?!  Yea, lots of stuff doesn't add up.

Vickie

Anyone who would let there Dog go away for 9 months just to get it bred or any other reason is not what i call a caring Dog owner, That is something a Owner would never dream of doing if they thought anything of there Dog That is a unbelievable thing to hear
Steve1

And part of the kicker is that Quark was for sale 6 months after Tryee came and got her!

If they buyer of Quark wants to contact me I have some of her paperwork as well....I have her score book, and her CGC certificate and I think I might even have her tag for her microchip somewhere too....if I can find it.....I have moved 3 times since then.  Now, having some of her paperwork and all in my posession kind of shows that the dog WAS intended to stay with me for the remainder of her life!

Vickie

OOOH  Vickie,  how can you say those things? You know full well that Quark was Not left at your place for 9 months on purpose! Tyree let you take her to breed her to Darko, which you did. You told them She didn't take and wanted to try breeding her to Darko again on her next heat, ( you had told me Quark had 3) They Paid you Stud fee and also you asked them for the paperwork to copy and put on your website since that would have been a great breeding. They gave you the paperwork in good faith, and you never sent it back to them like you were suppose to do. That is why you still have it. You NEVER did get the AKC paper though did you? Nope! When you were having trouble, you put Quark on your site for sale, she wasn't your dog to sell, Tyree called you up and said she was  coming to get Quark, which she did, and you told her she wasn't PG, which she was, with 3 pups whelped 3-4 days after they came and got her. of course at birth they were quite dark, and who could tell they weren't purebred at birth??? Then you harrassed Tyree over taking Quark home and wanting more stud fee/ boarding money.  You knew that Tyree wasn't Knowledgeable about this type of Breeding and you pretty well took advantage of her. You also know that They got hold of me trying to get litter papers for the puppies. Which you and I and the Carters know are cross breds.

You did sell Creekside a female bred to Darko, ( Ami ), but failed to let him know that the Bred female was pregnant with unregisterable AKC puppies at the time, as you Had Darko's papers in your posession and they were NEVER sent in to get HIM AKC registered. I am sure you told Creekside that YOU owned Darko and that He would get his litter papers. Of Course you knew it wouldn't be from you, but ME! What about the Breedings you had booked with Darko? That I screwed up? Did you also tell them that Darko was AKC? and when I posted differently, that really screwed those breedings up didn't it? 
Remember Vickie, I paid for Darko, so that You could trial him and get his name out there, and we would stud him out and sell his pups and split it until I re-couped my investment and I would sign him over to you? that was/is all in the contract. I really thought we could work together and actually be friends, until my gut started talking and you wouldn't respond to my phone calls and e-mails. Finally after the fact of the puppies getting parvo and some dying, you let me know.
You were excited about Darko x Elza Breeding Remember? You told me you were putting them on your site and were getting alot of hits and when could you take them home as you wanted to have them there for people to see them. but you kept back peddling and lying to me about the paperwork, so I sure as Hell wasn't going to try selling them as AKC puppies, when they were NOT! I told you before, I don't do business like that. So quit blaming everyone else for those You screwed.  You told alot of people that YOU owned Darko. Made no mention of me, and I was never in the book when you took him to competitions as owner, co-owner or anything. Your remark of telling people ,- "I Got Bonnie where I want her" was pretty sickening. Because you sold those pups (Elza X Darko), kept stud fees, and try to blame me for  'dumping" pups on you that got Parvo from your facility, not mine, and try to lay a bunch of Guilt that you took care of my pups before your own, is ridiculous!! Hell, you avoided me Like the Plague. You know that I sent money to you for Vaccinations, I also sent you wormers and other things to care for the pups, as well as bags of food. Who knew you would get parvo and have to keep them longer and feed them. You put me down because I said I would Euthanize those pups If I couldn't place them? Those pups would have long been sold if they actually did have their AKC papers when it was time for them to go

Continued!
Vickie, You say on here that Elza doesn't have much of a pedigree and that made my pups from Darko worth less?
Remember, I asked you about what we should price the pups at. You put Elza down on this board, but you and I traded bitch for bitch and you really played Elza up with good lines at that time. Heck she goes back to Art z Lipin and other titled dogs. I wanted to much for the pups? It was negotiable on the prices you know. The real deal is you not informing me in time on the sick pups, and now you think I owe you something! Funny!  You call me a butcher shop, because I can and do take care of alot of my own problems, I don't usually leave that to someone else. Would you like me to post the pictures of when you brought the pups back and what they looked like a couple months later?  Yes they suffered through Parvo, but a 7 month old German shepherd should not weight 35 pounds. I know you say you were broke etc, etc, but at that time you didn't say anything to me until you brought the pups here, and when I said if I couldn't place them in 2 weeks, I would have to Euthanize, (due to poor health, and no proper place to keep them all.) I do have that right and that choice. It was pretty funny that in less than 2 weeks you were back here to get them as you got them sold somehow. You were compensated I would say. You kept all the money, however much it came to, on all my living-sold pups and any stud fee collected and you didn't actually pay for Darko, now did you? All you had to do was be honest about things and not just use people for your own benefit. You made some bad choices and you took it out on others as if Your choices made them to blame.  You told people that Darko was YOUR dog and you would do with him what you wanted. HUM! I am to blame I guess, for trying to trust you to do right by both of us. Remember selling those pups? How many have gotten their AKC Papers? You told them they would get them didn't you? You tend to avoid all those that try getting hold of you when it comes time to do the paper work. Once they do get hold of you, they told me, you have been short and hateful with them and if they want puppy papers-Well, they'll just have to get hold of Bonnie Leck, it her fault, she is the reason you don't have your papers!!

Thank you miss Vickie.
As long as you don't come clean and tell the truth, I will continue to post with what You have done to our business relationship and to others that I know.
I am just amazed that Others that know what you have done, don't say anything on here and I know there are a few that read this, that do know and have had dealings with you.
Bonnie
Leckhaus Shepherds..

looks like a coated gsd pup to me, do a DNA test and make sure.

Sitasmom,
Guess we will never know who or what the sire is. We do know it isn't Darko. The pups were put in a shelter for adoption. They were starting to show some watchfulness and some protectiveness. They love  water! All 3 of them.
Bonnie.

Bonnie, that's funny that you buy into the lie that Tyree paid me a stud fee!  I think I will go ahead and pursue what I am owed for her boarding and up keep for the 9 months she was here, including the tickets I got from Animal Control for her CONSTANT barking.  What person in their right mind would keep  someone elses bitch for free for 9 months?  Besides, she is a Brawnson daughter and a little research on this board will show any moron how I feel about Brawnson progeny!  In my heart I didn't want to take Quark, I did it because I felt sorry for Tyree/Barboletta Carter because of her situation.  Sean GAVE ME THE BITCH because he could not get her sold as he wanted alot for her and we were supposed to split any litters that resulted in any breedings.  There is a reason that Quark had been to 6 different owners from one end of the United States to the other....she was a shitter in MANY MANY ways~!  That bitch tried to kill Darko everytime he would try to breed her, I even tried an AI at MY expense!  The ONLY time I ever talked to Tyree about Quark was when I arrived at Atlanta to pick up Max (MY dog) and Quark  all my dealings and conversatioins were with Sean, the foreign guy who IS as big a scam artist as there is.  He tried to get me to room with him at the DVG Nationals in Denver!  I never offered Quark for sale after I took possesion of her.    Let Barboletta Carter know that I will be pursuing her in court for Quarks boarding.  I am not screwing around with this anymore.....I housed the bitch while Tyree (Barboletta Carter) didn't have a house to live in or a pot to piss in............for FREE!  Then all of a sudden when they move to Memphis with family she wants the dog back....ohhhh, wait the dog was for sale 6 months later!  Any idiot can read between those lines!

The reason for not listing you in the score book was a rather simple one.  Because, if you were not a member of a DVG club we could not enter Darko in the Nationals......I didn't see it as anyone's business as to how Darko was aquired.  I DID tell people in my local club that Darko was Co-owned between another party and I.  But believe what you want....there are other things in that contract YOU drew up that I am entitled too since you sold Darko but I didn't go there!  You sent a check for $75 and 2-20 pound bags of Diamond puppy....those 2 bags lasted no time at all and not once did you ever offer to help out and I NEEDED IT BADLY!!!  I also received a box of medications mailed on Sept. 25, 2008 of OLD medications, none of which would have helped them.....I have the box in it's entirety and it is full of OLD NASTY looking bottles......I can give pics to anyone who would like them as well.  In the box was a bottle of DYNE, colostrum powder, Kaolin Pectin in an OLD acetomenophen bottle, and some puritans pride acidophilus supplement.  NONE of those help with parvo nor act as a dewormer!  NONE!!!!!  That box was mailed to me more than a week after I told you they had parvo and I had already sought treatment.  The parvo was tracked to my place and I had a litter of 11 puppies out of ZJangles v. Kraftwerk and Valko Lengener-Merer........when all was said and done there were 5 of mine left!  I LOST 6 so that I could save yours.

I WAS NEVER PAID A STUD FEE BY ANYONE FOR BREEDINGS TO DARKO!  Soooo, Tyree (Barboletta Carter) better get her proof because I am gonna drag her butt into court!  My attorney will be the first person I talk too tomorrow!

Vickie