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by Dog1 on 21 June 2010 - 11:06
I'm looking for more USA members that can attend the GBM in Reno and represent a club. Please contact me for further information. I have 10% of my goal. Thanks to those that are stepping up.
by Mystere on 21 June 2010 - 16:06
..and these clubs that will be "represented" by someone who is NOT a club member, and whom they probably do not know, can be assured that the club's wishes will be carried out by these persons how, exactly? Just curious...
by Dog1 on 21 June 2010 - 16:06
Mystere,
Where did you get the impression that these people would not be a club member? Haven't you read the bylaws and previous posts. They are required to be a club member in order to be a delegate.
Where did you get the impression that these people would not be a club member? Haven't you read the bylaws and previous posts. They are required to be a club member in order to be a delegate.
by Mystere on 21 June 2010 - 16:06
LOL And we both are well aware, as has been discussed in this thread, that all that is required is slapping someone's name on the club's membership list, whether the person has ever set foot on the club field, or not. Please, let's not be disingenous about this, Randy. I asked a legitimate question--do you have an answer? How are clubs to have any assurance that this delegate "representing" the club actually votes as the club instructed, and what recourse will there be if the delegate does not follow the club's directive? A real, active member, of course, has the repercussions of dealing with the club and its members when they return from the GBM, should that person decide to vote contrary to the club's wishes. The club could even expell them. For the "stranger" who becomes a member on paper for purposes of the GBM, what is the club's recourse, if that delegate (who owes no loyalty to the club anyway) votes against the club's wishes?
Just curious...
Just curious...
by Unknown on 21 June 2010 - 19:06
The answer is simple...NONE!!!!
the "on paper only" member can go to the meeting "representing" the club and vote however they feel like voting no matter what the actual club has stated that they want to vote and the club will have absolutely no recourse what so ever.
by Mystere on 21 June 2010 - 19:06
Exactly!! That is precisely my point!!
by Betty on 21 June 2010 - 20:06
True, but if you are a club that will not have a delegate it may be a risk worth taking.
by Dog1 on 21 June 2010 - 22:06
Unknown is right. There are no guarantees in many aspects of life. Just like some of the delegates that did represent their clubs, voted against the wishes of the club. But wait! Isn't that a part of the system we are trying to fix? Lets take a look at what's happening here and I think the answer will become clear.
The purpose of the upcoming election and getting people involved is to consider the candidates and select the best team to carry the organization forward. Soon candidates will be announced, their resume's presented and each and every member will have the opportunity to review performance and credentials. Through this information I believe some clear choices will emerg.
Through discussions that are a part of the process I believe the clubs and their delegates will make educated choices to better the organization. Is there a chance some delegate goes 'Rogue' ? Maybe so. Does it matter? Not if the group has done a good job selecting their candidates. If the information is presented, reviewed, and an educated decision is reached, why would anyone vote any other way?
To answer your question; no one will make anybody do anything in this election any more than they did in the last when each represented their club. It's a drawback in the system if you will. The difference will be that there is time to review and make educated and informaed choices.
The purpose of the upcoming election and getting people involved is to consider the candidates and select the best team to carry the organization forward. Soon candidates will be announced, their resume's presented and each and every member will have the opportunity to review performance and credentials. Through this information I believe some clear choices will emerg.
Through discussions that are a part of the process I believe the clubs and their delegates will make educated choices to better the organization. Is there a chance some delegate goes 'Rogue' ? Maybe so. Does it matter? Not if the group has done a good job selecting their candidates. If the information is presented, reviewed, and an educated decision is reached, why would anyone vote any other way?
To answer your question; no one will make anybody do anything in this election any more than they did in the last when each represented their club. It's a drawback in the system if you will. The difference will be that there is time to review and make educated and informaed choices.
by Mystere on 21 June 2010 - 23:06
That is disingenuous, Randy, and you know it. When an actual member of the club represents the club, and votes contrary to the club's wishes/directive, there can be repercussions, such as discipline by the club. Heck, even just having members angry for a time at a person may be "punishment" enough. But, with a stranger, there is not even that. It's simply a thumb to the nose and "so sad, too bad." One might even call it fraud. But, whatever... To each his own.
by Dog1 on 22 June 2010 - 01:06
Mystere,
I'm sorry you are so tainted, always looking at the negative side to everything. Too bad you have nothing constructive to offer. Ooops, I see you were in attendence when the changes to the bylaws were voted on representing the Cascade Club. The vote was 51-2. Chances are you were one of those that voted to limit membership in "competing German Shepherd organizations." I see where you may be coming from now. Was this how your club wanted you to vote?
Yes, to each his own. If you have a better Idea since you propose many changes to the USA bylaws; I'm all ears. Until then the bylaws are what they are. There is no choice but to work within their limits for better or worse.
I'm sorry you are so tainted, always looking at the negative side to everything. Too bad you have nothing constructive to offer. Ooops, I see you were in attendence when the changes to the bylaws were voted on representing the Cascade Club. The vote was 51-2. Chances are you were one of those that voted to limit membership in "competing German Shepherd organizations." I see where you may be coming from now. Was this how your club wanted you to vote?
Yes, to each his own. If you have a better Idea since you propose many changes to the USA bylaws; I'm all ears. Until then the bylaws are what they are. There is no choice but to work within their limits for better or worse.
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