civil drive in dogs - Page 2

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Doberdoodle...

Not disputing anything you said there [all this talk of civil is far beyond me] but... in what situation would it be appropriate Use of Force to send a dog on a subject curled up in a ball on the ground?

Mudwick, Maybe the subject has a weapon and will not comply? Just because he is rolled up, it only takes a second to shoot.

> I have done it more than once when a subject fails to comply with my instructions to come out of the bushes when located by the K9 or refuses to show his hands when located as instructed.

RE: Not disputing anything you said there [all this talk of civil is far beyond me] but... in what situation would it be appropriate Use of Force to send a dog on a subject curled up in a ball on the ground?

Let's say a person has just commited a crime and is on the run, he runs into a building and hides in there, the cops get on their loudspeaker and say "Come out now, or we're coming in with the dog to get you," Suspects try hiding many places, from cabinets in the kitchen to inside walls, they are motionless and curled up, the Cops may not know where they are hiding, but the K-9 can very easily find them and grab them if needed, because they smell so strongly, adrenaline and sweat.

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Doberdoodle,

This is exactly why I asked.  My mind's eye was picturing some subject curled up in a fetal position in the middle of the street, Felony Traffic Stop style.

I can see the need for a bite and hold on a semi-passive suspect in the scenario you gave.

MAINLYMAX
Said "Civil drive now is being looked at more like the dog in collection."

Civil is not a drive.  Defense is a drive however.  Civil simply means that the dog is focusing on biting the decoy.  The decoy may utilize "civil agitation" then the dog works in defense.  Prey driven dogs that need balancing may be worked in a civil manner, we would wish or hope that the dog switches from prey to defense.    some dogs are more defensive than others.  But there it would be incorrect to refer to civil as a drive.  You can say that the dog is defensive or works comfortable in defense.  When the decoy agitates with no equipment that is "civil".

NoCurs,

Some schutzhund people never want their dogs to see civil agitation.  As the dog runs into the bite at 100 mph, bites the sleeve and never see the person behind the sleeve.  Totally locked into prey.  I prefer the dog that is more balanced as a result of good training where the dog was exposed to civil agitation and as result developed the defense drive to a point where the dog can comfortably work in defense.  Now too much defense drive turns into flight mode, where the dog runs away out of fear.  Because running is the most effective and purest form of defense.  Lets not forget that in "VARYING DEGREES" defense is when the dog feels he must protect himself from harm (fight /flight).  So the dog starts out protecting himself then later this is transfered into protecting the owner.  Ideally we want to develop the dog so that he is working in defense out of confidence, with his chest poked out.  I would bet that locked in prey works greatfor schutzhund, however would not trust it for real life protection

Yours truly,

Dirt Diggler

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