PANDA SHEPHERDS ("RARE/UNIQUE") FOR SALE? Check this crap out... - Page 1

WOW, I could not help but post this here. This person is selling these puppies as AKC Registered "Rare" GSD's... (Unique, rather)

http://www.puppyfind.com/l/?acct_id=44129&sid=f674c1921b5f042d06d8282d489834eb

I must say, I am so sick of all of these back yard breeders and people trying to make up crap for those poor, unsuspecting buyers who think they honestly are getting something "Unique" or "Rare".

The ones with spots don't even look like GSD puppies - they are different in the head, expression, ear-set.  At least they are only $400 and not $4000 like some "rarities" will be priced.

molly

This is just wrong.

Go look at the males & females on this BREEDERS web site.

http://geocities.com/angelicshepherds

Speaking of which....this topic came up on another board.  Does this look like a Panda Shepherd?  If so, they're already ending up in the dog pound.  Luckily this pretty guy was adopted.

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=341537&page=3#Post341537

Nope, they look like they have some sort of cattle dog in them or collie. The head and ears are definitely wrong for the shepherd.

They are seeling them with limited registration too. Guess they want to corner the market.

T-

What is this world coming to!  Where did this Panda Shepherd come from?  Don't be surprised if you start seeing "Top AKC Panda Shepherd Puppies" here.  Give me a break!...AKC (All Kinds Club) LOL. 

It would seem as if there is a secret hybridization going on, but there is an argument that this gene did sport spontaneously in the gsd genetic pool.  I will find the website if anyone is interested.  It would be a great shame if one of the few breeds that are still ostensibly measured by its working ability gets off track by getting huffy about coloration.  I don't personally like this look, but what if some people do?  And what if those dogs can work, and work well?  Would you really want to get fussy about the color?  You can't have your cake and eat it, too.  You can't criticize the AKC for registering them AND criticize people who do not want to breed for the colors you like.  What went wrong with the AKC was this it focused on superficial characteristics -- like color -- in the first place.  If we stay focused on working ability we stay true to what really matters.

That said, this seems to be an unfortunate look!

This "Panda" shepherd is a rediculous farse.  Can be easily achived in 3 generations and have the dogs look exactly like very good german shepherds with this coloring.  Can be done in 1 generation if your an idiot and dont care what the dogs look like lol.  Heres an example.

Find a really good male, Black and Red, little bit on the over angulated side with strong ears, big head, and nice bone.

Find two Shetland Sheepdog females from unrelated bloodlines.

So....breed the male to both females.  The gentics look like this.

Maternal genotype specified: AyAy CC sese EE kk BB DD gg mm sisi tt intmintm WhWh
Maternal phenotype:          Red Sable & White (black nosed) <---Shetland females
Paternal genotype specified: asas
Paternal phenotype:          Black and Red Saddled <----GSD male

1 potential genotypes:
100.00% Ayas siS Hd=17.0 Edyfair Plxno - Red Sable & White (black nosed) carrying saddled + irish white spotting

1 potential phenotypes:
 100.00% Red Sable & White (black nosed) <----Shetland Color completely dominates

1 potential phenotypes with carried traits:
 100.00% Red Sable & White (black nosed) carrying saddled + irish white spotting

1 potential carried traits:
 100.00% saddled + irish white spotting <----All puppies carry these recessives

Now you take males and females from both litters that look the most like GSD's and breed them to each other linebreeding 2-2 on the outstanding GSD Black and Red male.  What you get looks like this.

Maternal genotype specified: Ayas CC sese EE kk BB DD gg mm sisi tt intmintm WhWh
Maternal phenotype:          Red Sable & White (black nosed) carrying saddled
Paternal genotype specified: Ayas CC sese EE kk BB DD gg mm sisi tt intmintm WhWh
Paternal phenotype:          Red Sable & White (black nosed) carrying saddled

4 potential genotypes:
25.00%  Ayas sisi Hd=17.0 Edyfair Plxno - Red Sable & White (black nosed) carrying saddled
25.00%  asAy sisi Hd=17.0 Edyfair Plxno - Red Sable & White (black nosed) carrying saddled
25.00%  asas sisi Hd=17.0 Edyfair Plxno - Black and Red Saddled & White
25.00%  sisi Hd=17.0 Edyfair Plxno - Red Sable & White (black nosed)

2 potential phenotypes:
 75.00%  Red Sable & White (black nosed) <-----These puppies will have coloring of Shetland, but structure of GSD from choice of previous litter and linebreeding 2-2 on the original male.
 25.00%  Black and Red Saddled & White <----Check it out, you get a black and red saddle, wonder how much white is dispayed.

3 potential phenotypes with carried traits:
 50.00%  Red Sable & White (black nosed) carrying saddled
 25.00%  Black and Red Saddled & White
 25.00%  Red Sable & White (black nosed)

2 potential carried traits:
 50.00%  saddled
 50.00%  None

When this is done, the idiotic breeder can say "See look, some of the puppies come out just like a Black and Red, told you these were real GSD's"

This can be done with any number of breeds.  I can think of many that would have a very neet looking coat color on a GSD.  But its wrong and unethical.