DDR dogs - Page 1

i really think it depends on the dog.  pedigree training,etc..

 i plan on breeding my ddr/czech female to a west working line.

i think the 2 lines now a day are pretty similiar.

 atleast they still have working abilities,above medium drives and IMO are harder in proctection then show lines.

BUT it does depend on the dog, and the owners way of raising it!

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/477754.html

Here's the link to my young male, Chaco.  He's the first DDR/Czech dog that I've owned and he is completely different in structure and temperment than my last male, Visar, a West German/Dutch bloodline GSD.

Visar had very high prey drive and he made a nice picture on the field because of his drive, but he was not balanced.  He was a sleeve happy prey dog.  Even though I could have possibly gotten some nice points on the field with him, this is not what I was looking for.  To him the protection work was just a game, nothing more.  I sold him to a lady who does AKC tracking, obedience, and agility.

Structurally, I didn't like Visar's appearance because he was too fine boned for my taste.  I got pissed every time someone would say "Hey nice female."  Grrrr. 

On the positive side, Visar was very fast to mature both physically and mentally.  I put the BH on him when he was barely 16 months old and he was almost ready for the 1.

Chaco, on the other hand, is whole different dog.  He has been slow to mature, both physically and mentally.  He is 20 months old now, but still very "puppy".  We won't be going for our BH until my club's fall trial, and even then he won't be ready for the 1.  I have had to tone down my training to allow him to mentally grow up.

On the positive side, he is beautiful in my vision of canine beauty... blocky, stocky, big head, big bone, and a true black sable.  He is the most athletic dog that I've ever owned, all muscle, and he can jump like a grasshopper.

A lot of people don't like the DDR/Czech lines because they do take so long to mature.  I've also heard people complain about nerve issues, though I've never experience that with Chaco.

I have met several people with East/West German mixes, and they have all been pleased with the blend.  If you want extreme pigment and bone, you've got to mix a little "old skule" East blood with your Western lines. 

I encourage you to continue to seek a variety of opinions, as I am sure you will hear many perspectives.

Yvette

Well I do have a much different opinion of the DDR blood dogs..

 the one thing I do agree with her is, I love the strong head/bone normally super dark pigment and overall very nice looks.. "But" I can find that with the West German Working Blood as well.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/128646.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/437900.html

 From my experience, the pure east dogs have less than great nerves, and normally are not a very balanced dog in drives. I like a dog that has a good balance of prey/defense, I like extreme ball drives and a dog that likes obedience.... That is one in a million with the DDR/Czech type dogs.. I see way too many great import DDR dogs with only a SchH1 or SchH2, that sends up a red flag straight away!!

 I would also state that I have West German Work / Belgium Work blood and my dogs have strong head/bone with excellent pigment and very good structure.. I also have dogs that are extreme in drives "not just prey".. Which again are balanced enought to be great in all 3 phases....  The West German Work dogs normally are better for K-9 & S.A.R. as well.. They need extreme ball/hunt drives and the DDR/Czech blood just don't have the endless hunt drives needed for the real jobs..... JMHO of course!!!!

We have one of everything....we have a 100% DDR female, a Czech female, a West German Showline male. and a 1/2 DDR and 1/2 Showline male.

The DDR female is a very nice DARK sable. They have big blocky heads and big bone, which I like. I have noticed that these dogs are very slow to mature. They can be a little on the nervy side. They should be hard working dogs. The female that I have has very nice prey drive, she is a little nervy and is VERY slow maturing. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/481402.html

The Czech female that I have has over the top prey drive and is very confident. These dogs seem to mature very fast. I have noticed that they seem to mature faster and dont have the nerve problems that some of the DDR dogs do. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/475396.html

The Showline male that I have was slow matureing and is a little thinner boned than the DDR and Czech female. The showlines seem to be have a little less drive and are more on the defensive side than prey. There hunt drive also seems to be less.  But they do have that very pretty black and red coloring which I love. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/454230.html

The 1/2 DDR and 1/2 Showline male that we have is a nice male. He has nice bone and the big blocky head from the DDR and has the nice deap red coloring from the showline. He is balanced in his drives and is a nice working dog. He absolutely has NO nerve issues at all. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/454232.html

I personally like the Czech dogs the most. They seem to have the best drives and working ability and dont have nerve issues. JMO

The West German Work dogs normally are better for K-9 & S.A.R. as well.. They need extreme ball/hunt drives and the DDR/Czech blood just don't have the endless hunt drives needed for the real jobs..... JMHO of course

so what is your opinion HUNDGUY on mixing the lines. These 2 lines(my breeding)

female is palma z jirkova dvora

stud i will be using is Branco vom Banholz

thanx Dawn

they are both in the database

I have a Czech female that has over the top ball and hunt drive. She has extreme drives for a GSD. She also has a nice balance of drives - great prey with a nice civil edge to her, during her heats she can become more sharp then I like.  You can see her here...the picture is from when she was about a 1.5 years old, she is now 2.5 yrs old. She is ALOT darker now. I will be going for her SCH 1 in June and then onto the other titles right after that.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/442703.html

Her drives are so over the top people, including a USA judge, say she is more Mal like in her drives then a GSD, not as high as a good Mal but alot higher than most GSDs including West working.

Let's not forget who won the GSD nationals last year...a Czech dog. THree of the top 5 dogs had significant amounts of Czech blood in their pedigrees.

I think some people do not realize that the Czech dog is slowly changing...more and more of them are being breed for sport not the border type dog from the past. I think as close as 3 to 5 years ago some of the gross generalizations about Czechs dogs were true but you just cannot generalize them anymore. They are being breed to have more prey not just aggression.

Just stating what I have seen out of a ALOT of Czech dogs, we have 10 to 12 czech dogs just in the SCH club and PSA club in my area. Granted a couple of those fit the gross generalization but not the majority.

Isn't Czech different from the DDR?

Thanks for the opinions so far.