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by flipfinish on 03 May 2007 - 03:05
by flipfinish on 03 May 2007 - 03:05
I am a glutton for punishment so here goes. My wife and I bred a litter of pups and kept the pick male. Since we own the father we now have a 14 week old pup and a 5 year old "proud poppa" in our home. Anyone ever do this? Or should I say do it and live to tell about it? I have heard all the dominate vs. be dominated stuff, I don't really care if dad beats the crap out of sonny.
I am thinking of making him a eunich anyways, but he does have working potential. Little monster bites like heck!
Ok let me have it GSD Nation!

by Bob-O on 03 May 2007 - 05:05
The younger one "Sonny" will try to determine his place with "Dad" and that is where it can become ugly. They both need equal attention, as dogs can be jealous creatures.
Can it be done? Yes it can, but some caution must be in order. They cannot live or play together without supervision. "Dad" probably knows his place, but "Sonny" still has a lot to learn. He can learn a lot from watching "Dad", as dogs will learn much more from other dogs than they can from us.
You say that "Sonny" is a biter? Any young dog who is to be developed needs to believe that he is the king of the world, and cannot be dominated by another dog.
Bob-O
by olskoolgsds on 03 May 2007 - 06:05
Agree with Bob-O,
It can be done, I have done it in the past, but it is difficult and any number of problems can occur. They need lots of time to themselves and seperate time with you. You don't want them to bond to each other. This won't be the case with Dad but it would be for junior. Bottum line is that it can work but you will not get the best out of both dogs, so it's up to you in what you want and what you want the pup for. Remember, any bad habits that dad may have junior will learn real quick also.
For me the worse combination though is two bitches. And I think that's why they call them bitches. What a nightmare that can be. Good luck
by Do right and fear no one on 03 May 2007 - 06:05
You don't really care if Dad beats the crap out of the pup? I don't understand. I could understand if you believe it is necessary for them to find their "pecking order". I could even understand if you would like it not to happen that way, but know that it is going to happen sooner or later. But I don't understand not caring if it happens.
You kept the pick because it has working potential, but then you are going to let it get beat up and dominated? Is this a joke or did you just have Beagles before? A dog trained and raised for "working", needs to believe he/she is unbeatable, as Bob-O eluded too. Letting it get beat up by another dog, is NOT the way to build his confidence, and he will NOT be a confident, good working dog (unless by working, you mean chasing rabbits).
If a dog bites me, I understand why usually. But even after fifty years, I don't understand humans more than every once in a blue moon. Why do people look for ways to make their lives more difficult.
Sell the pup and save you, your wife, and the dogs some headaches and grief.
If you had a twenty year old son and a 5 year old son, would you let the older one beat the crap out of your youngest? Just to toughen him up or let him know who is the dominate one of the two? I just don't get it.
You went out of your way to make the statement that you really don't care if the Sire beats the crap out of the pup, so I can only assume this is a Joke. April 1st was the appropriate time for this posting, not May.
Good luck to the pup.
by Buddyspal on 03 May 2007 - 07:05
I'm with you Do Right. When I read that I actually felt sick to my stomach (not caring if sire beats crap out of pup).

by Petros on 03 May 2007 - 09:05
Hey, GSD friends! How much intelligence does it take to understand that the guy does not even worth it to address the speech to him? DO not bother answering to him.
by DKiah on 03 May 2007 - 10:05
Sorry, I have to reply to this one..not because of the beat the crap out of son comment - that was beyond stupid.. and ridiulous!
I don't understand why everyone thinks these things are so difficult.. you can have multiple females and multiple males it is just that WE the human upright walking supposed to be smart ones need to manage our populations!
Any puppy needs to be raised like a child, with care and nurturing and careful planning if you have designs to make a sport dog out of it..or even just your family pet
Puppies should not be with adults once they are gone from their mothers without complete supervision and they should never be allowed to just hang out together
Your puppy needs structure (ie, first off potty training, learn name) and time to geow and learn how to learn things taught by YOU
He needs to understand you are the leader and his world by your control of all situations and I don't mean by bing banging him around by showing him what you want.. but it is still control..
Just so you don't think I'm blowing air, we currently have 7.. the 3 oldest are inside except for walks and playtime(2 F, 1M - they all get along!) ...the others are in and out of the kennel and the house .. all of them get their play/training time and their walks and exercise
They don't all get along, they have to be managed..
My husband competes in agility and I belong to a couple Schutzhnd clubs here in the south.. so we have an idea how to raise sport dogs that are our pets..please this pretty easy,just takes some time and thought.. and I'm hoping that the originator of this post was just making a bad joke.....

by Janette on 03 May 2007 - 11:05
Would'nt do it unless I had kennels ect set up to keep them seperated.We never let small pups into the fold until they are big/old enough to hold their own. Confidence is everything and if something takes that away well....there goes your working dog. It's important for them to be social but not beat up.It happens but certainly not on purpose and never our males. Our males are proud rulers, all 5 of them... seperate!
by dangsd on 03 May 2007 - 13:05
Sell the Pup ,for his welfare .Two males or two females under the same roof could work ,but you must be willing to "work" very hard at it .Are you....?
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