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by duke1965 on 22 January 2021 - 11:01

recently some people I know started using embark testing, now, I am for testing, but I have seen a few strange outcomes in their results, one , where a pedigree GSD from germany was sold to USA, and embark said he was for large part coonhound and border collie, another mix KNPV dog came out 100% dutch shepherd, while we know he is not, sire is a malinois, with possible some pitbull or such type dog bred in several generations back

like to hear any toughts and/or experiences on that 


by Koots on 22 January 2021 - 13:01

Interesting - I would like to know if the person who collected the swab in any way compromised the results, for starters.

The results I got back indicated my dog is 100% GSD, with medium 'wolfiness', and a predicted adult weight of 81 lbs. The weight prediction seems fairly accurate as his 4 month weight was about 40 lbs. Other than that, the test showed he is N/N for DM, but is a clear for other 'tested' health concerns.


by cherjam81 on 22 January 2021 - 15:01

I used it on my female and she came back 100% german shepherd. Also neg for DM.

Aren't Dutch shepherds and malinois the same breed just different colors? I have seem some Dutch shepherd pedigrees with Malinois sire and dams.

by Hanaki89 on 23 January 2021 - 05:01

What is a "mix KNPV"?
If your dutch shepherd has a KNPV pedigree, you can check it on bliedlijen website. KNPV does not give a sh*t about colors of their dogs, it is not FCI. If a puppy is brindle they will call it a dutch shepherd and if he is fawn or black they will call it malinois. So in the same litter of KNPV dogs you can have herders and malinois.
Your DNA test just tells you that your dog was not mixed with APBT or GSD. He has the same genetic than a FCI dutch shepherd. The DNA test just saw that your dog is brindle, so Embark thinks that you have a pure breed FCI dutch shepherd even if the father is a KNPV malinois.

by Hanaki89 on 23 January 2021 - 10:01


See this dog for exemple. The owner claimed he has a "Belgian Malinois KNPV". According to the pictures the dog is fawn, no doubt about that. But this dog carries a brindle gene, so Embark considered her as a dutch shepherd. You have the opposite of this dog, you have a brindle dog with a malinois father. There is an Instagram account for this dog, you can ask the owner the BNR number of his malinois and go to bliedlijen and you will see brindle dogs in this malinois pedigree. I do not know for your european GSD, but Embark is right for your dutch shepherd. It just wrote that you have a pure breed dutch shepherd that you do not have because it saw a brindle gene in your dog's DNA.

by duke1965 on 23 January 2021 - 11:01

Hanaki, LOL so all the time KNPV fans are bragging about their malinois, but actually they all have dutch shepherds, because somewhere in there dog there is a dutchy gene floating around

by duke1965 on 23 January 2021 - 11:01

you have the BNR number for this dog, would lave to see the 100% dutch shepherd lineage

by GSDHeritage on 23 January 2021 - 12:01

This in the reason OFA is the only USA Lab accepted on the PDB all others will be removed.

by GSDHeritage (admin) on 16 October 2019 - 23:10

Members have asked Pedigree Admins about the use of other Laboratories on PDB 

The Pedigree Admins need to be able to check for proof to be sure a dog has been tested. The OFA site is available to check this

information out for dogs.  If you have a Prelim done on dogs it needs to be listed on the OFA site to be allowed on PDB.

We get messages from members stating that information on dogs on the PDB is incorrect so OFA is required for dog health tests.  If these

other Labs make this available on their site so that Pedigree Admins can check dogs out, things can change.


by Hanaki89 on 23 January 2021 - 15:01

@GSDHeritage It can be OFA, Embark, any lab... you will have the same results.

@duke 1965 Dutch Shepherds and Belgian (Flanders) Shepherds are the same dog, same DNA. There are two different breeds because of a political reason. Long story short: Habsburg/Spanish Netherlands was "one country" during centuries, now Flanders (the Dutch-speaking northern portion of Belgium) and Netherlands are two countries, they decided more than 100 years ago that the Netherlands will have the brindle dogs and Belgium will have the fawn and black dogs (since the 1950's black shorthair are not any more Belgian Shepherds) and there will be two breeds.

KNPV never separated their dogs in two breeds like FCI. Embark's computer just classifies brindle gene in DNA as dutchies and fawn gene in the DNA as malinois just because Embark watchs the DNA and does not know that it is a KNPV dog and not a FCI/AKC/CKC/UK KC... dog.

Same if you take the fawn Cane Corsos and the brindle Cane Corsos, and you make them two different breeds.

by duke1965 on 23 January 2021 - 15:01

hanaki, im aware of history, and you are many many years of on the separation of colours in dutch registration, but embark doesnot give results of 50 or more years ago, but from parents and grandparents of todays dogs , and if they classify fawn as malinois, your mentioned fawn dog shouldnot be coming up as a dutchy, which she isnot, furthermore, there were more breeds introduced in KNPV breedings, more recently (3 till 5 generations back) so for a yellow KNPV dog to come up as 100% dutchy over 5 generations is unlikely, even without knowing the parentage, the dog im talking about, I know the parentage and know for a fact his 100% pure parentage is wrong


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