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by maple on 01 July 2020 - 18:07

Looking for some input and a little clarification . I have a new pup 14 week female I have placed her with a trainer for a few weeks while I recover from surgery . She is a combo of east west and Czech ,my trainer who is highly regarded in my area tells me she is fine in protection but lazy in obedience . She has the genetics Jaro ha he on sires side and dam is decent , can I expect her to change ?

by apple on 01 July 2020 - 19:07

Sounds like a lack of food and prey drive.


by emoryg on 01 July 2020 - 20:07

It’s hard to say without putting eyes on the pup. 

At 14 weeks if someone tells me the puppy is fine in protection, the first thing I would do, after scratching my head, is think 'they must mean the pup likes to chase a rag or play with the tug'. 

I wouldn’t sweat the lazy part.  Change comes from motivation and motivation comes in many forms.  Hunger being one of them.

Good luck with your recovery!


by Koots on 01 July 2020 - 20:07

I would get him to define 'lazy' and ask what he is doing to motivate her.


by Hundmutter on 02 July 2020 - 04:07

"At 14 weeks if someone tells me the pup is 'fine in protection' ... I would ... think they must mean the pup likes to chase a rag or play tug"

EmoryG - one would certainly hope so !

At only 14 weeks I'd be asking the same questions as Koots, as well.

HOW good do people tell you this Trainer is ??? Certainly could do with better communication skills to his/her human clients. How much training experience do you yourself have ? Could be he is expecting you to know more than you do, and make asumptions about what he is reporting based on that. ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?

Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 02 July 2020 - 04:07

"When you I expect her to change"? Maybe never, but, I dont think that is what he means. He may mean that the dog is not motivated by food or a toy, in which case, a lot of trainer do not know how to train a dog.
The dog may be maturing slowly, in which case, you need to take it slowly.
How does a dog excel in protection at 14 weeks is another story, but, since she is, why not use what motivates her in protection, I will assume a tug of some sort, and use it as an obedience reward...

by maple on 02 July 2020 - 08:07

Thank you


by Hundmutter on 02 July 2020 - 12:07

Hired, to be fair to the Trainer they didn't claim this little girl "excelled" in Protection, they just claim she's already "fine" in it ! Though even just promising she gonna be good is a bit far-fetched in one so young, I feel. So much could go wrong at this age; here's hoping it doesn't.

But of course you are right in that the OP can build on the tug (or whatever is being used) after getting over the surgery; as with all training, it would be a waste to employ an outside trainer - in whatever circumstances - and then let that slide when you take the dog home.

On the query about can the pup change, I'd say she will change a lot over coming months, just by growing up. But there is no specific timetable you can expect, even for getting over a specific problem (like this supposed 'laziness') because so much depends on the skills of whoever is doing the training. If you stick with the same Trainer and they are satisfactory (whether the dog continues to board with them, or whether she comes home), there may well be faster improvement than with you, if you are a novice at Training. Which is why I asked, Maple.

by GSCat on 05 July 2020 - 01:07

Some trainers are good, but sometimes not for every dog.

Best bet is find out what motivates your pup, and then find what she regards as high value rewards within that type of motivation. So long as you figure out her motivation(s), and it could be something as simple as a special word from you or a touch from you on her ears/head/tail, or certain special toy that is used for reward only, or one of the foregoing having been associated with something she really likes, etc., it'll be fine.

Some dogs will only work for their owner/handler, too.

I had a dog that wouldn't work for anyone else, so a trainer at a "highly regarded" facility told me she didn't have the drives blah blah blah When I worked her with him there, she was her usual crazy self and that trainer said that was the first time he had seen her anything like that. He actually jumped back when she went into screaming mode. Ha ha. I found out months later there was another issue, and it was entirely the trainer's fault.

Your dog might be bonded enough with you already that if she's strongly a one-handler dog, you'll have to be the one to work/train her, even if it is with the trainer there coaching/directing. Your pup could have missed you terribly, or been homesick, or even scared/separation anxiety/felt abandoned, especially if this was the first time she had been away from home/you since you got her.

Hope you heal up quickly :-)


by Hundmutter on 05 July 2020 - 04:07

Nice post GSCat. ( Row of 'Thumbs up' icons). ;-)


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