Dingo Haus Gero line... for movement - Page 1

I encountered on this messageboard the bloodline of Dingo...which they say is the GREATEST MOVER of all time. The discussion here about this dog was kind of lenghty and even gave me a headache... correlating this with the Canto line... according to some American GSD purists was the biggest mistake , that the Weinerau line brought disaster to the lineage of good health and working drive and brought too many decaying faults that surfaced (by the way I think those comments came from Vets and not from GSD historians). I share with researchers these links...down bellow Canto Wienerau lines - four groups : 1. The largest is by way of Lasso v Wiederbrucher Land through Fedor v Arminius and Fanto v. Arminius. Fedor is currently the leading sire in the Canto Wienerau lines, and produces excellent dogs with harmonious structure, as long as the bitch does not have a roached back. His most recent exeptional produce was V-A Karina Winnloh at the 1990 Siegerchau. Fedor's best producing offspring is Mark v Haus Beck. 2. The second largest is through the 1983 Sieger, Dingo V Haus Gero. Dingo was an exciting mover and passed on this trait to his offspring, primarily through his son V-A Natz v Arminius. While Dingo's offspring are spectacular at the extended trot, great care must be taken when using his blodlines because he has not been very consistant in producing good hips see ² above . Dingo resulted from the mating of Casar Arminius and Britta Malvenburg. Dingo's hip rating was fast normal , while Britta's was noch-zugelssan ...and I wonder why bad hips were being produced!. I do not know what Casars's rating was. Only two dogs in his litter of nine passed breed survey, which may indicate a weakness of the hips even in his own litter. Line breeding on Dingo is strongly advised against. 3. The third line is by way of V-A Argus v Klammle, through Argus v Aducht. Argus Aducht was an excellent dog but rarely produced anything of equal or greater to himself. Ablan vom Klammle, is found in many pedigrees, although he did not produce as well as his litter mate Argus. Linebreeding (4-4) Argus-Ablan is found in the better bred dogs. 4. The fourth lines come by way of the 1980 Sieger, Canto v Arminius. The most important of his offspring was Sonny v Badener Land who sired the Siegerin Tina vom Groben Sand and V-1 Tell v Groben Sand. Tell sired the 1990 and 1991 double Sieger Fanto v Hirschel. Fanto is currently being used on Quando and Uran daughters and those related to Reza v Haus Beck. source: http://www.bmk.org.uk/bloodline_history.php also the Martin interview by Ricardo Carbajal which was published after the Martin brothers passed away in 1996 This article just show us the the brothers were not merely aiming for Aesthetics... they do cross Showline with Working lines that will improve their stock... The Golden Middle as we say... source: http://www.bmk.org.uk/martin.php Hope this link helps us understand the possibility of the "Golden Middle" and better understand that the Martin brothers although a CARTEL in the GSD world history before has their blueprinting of GSD standards.

Tell v Grossen Sand was VA 2. The temperament from Asslan v Klammle was absurd. The greatest mover of all time was Hagadahl's Arex. Walter's statement to me about breeding was, "every now and then you have to throw in a gangster, otherwise in your effort to produce show bodies you will be producing sheep-like temperament".

Sheep like temperament that LACKS Attitude... Hmmm NO GOOD... He may also be refering to Tony Wienerau as the rascal...

there was a lengthy thread on dingo haus gero on this board a while back also. all comments were good ones. he produced at least as good as himself if not better and was one of very very few "show" dogs known for excellent working ability as well. to say that he was an excellent mover is really missing the mark! he was so much more than that. pjp

There was also a lenghty discussion on the board about Asslan Klamme... But I definitely say he's not for the Golden middle... This dog by Canto Wienerau is simply American show type...graceful and good moving and all... made in Germany by the way... thrown out of Germany and landed in the U.S. and spread his faults there...

Just curious... how do you define "greatest mover"? What in fact is considered "great movement"? Is it a dog looking flashy as it prances around a show ring? Is it a dog that can run for miles without getting fatigued? Is it a dog that can soar over the jump or scamper over the A-frame with ease? Is it a dog that can fly down the field in the courage test and knock the helper into the next county? I think show fans and working fans would have a different definition of "great movement". Oh wait I'm forgetting the Agility fans... Is it a dog that can thread through the weave poles like a wriggling fish? Is it a dog that can soar over the long jumps in record time? :D

The lenghty discussion about Dingo h.Gero focusses on the S.V. making him the model for gaiting and was it filmed in Slow Motion??? just guessing on how the bones and muscles work while the dog was troting roadside... I've read Judge Sue (U.K.) saying the recorded film was distributed worldwide and it was a BIG MISTAKE for the S.V.... probably after know the hip stats of Gero's progeny.