price of stud fees VS puppy prices - Page 1

i noticed the thread about high stud fees. while it would be great to be able to breed to the greatest stud dogs for a song and a prayer i think we should look at things from a different perspective. if the stud is a good male from good lines why is $1,000 stud fee out of line? let's look at it another way. you take the bitch you either bought or raised to the stud that was bought or raised by his owner, and pay $1,000 for the stud fee. you produce 10 pups in the litter. now because of the good stud and bloodline you charge $1000 per pup. ($1,000-$1500 seeming to be the norm) and you keep one for yourself. 9 pups at $1,000 = $9,000 minus the 1,000 stud fee puts $8,000 in your pocket (less any transport fees) and the pup of your choosing in your back yard. all of a sudden $1,000 for the owner of the stud that either raised, fed and titled him or spent a lot of $ buying, doesn't seem that far out of line to me. so what's really out of whack here? the stud fees or the pup prices?

It's all "supply and demand" and there is nothing FAIR about prices in a capitalist economy. People with top dogs will ask, and receive, top dollar for stud fees simply because people are willing to pay it. People will ask, and receive, top dollar for their puppies simply because people are willing to pay it. It's unfortunate but SchH is becoming an unaffordable sport for the Average Joe who has the best of intentions but cannot take out a second mortgage on his house to pay for puppies or young dogs. This trend will continue until the market becomes saturated, or people stop paying high prices for stud fees, puppies, and young dogs.

Neither is out of whack. There is a lot less risk in donating sperm than there is in going through the complications of pregnancy and having babies. Just ask any woman!!! How is 1000-1500 dollars too much for good German Shepherd lines that people have invested 100's of training hours in? It's quite a bargain really. You don't have to pay this much though, you can just go to the pound and pick one up for about $75.00. :-b

Hi RAMGSD, I would say... buy a puppy, title and see that she has korung and start breeding. I hope for you that all will be OK from the first puppy and wish you lot's off succes getting a Miljonair in a very short time... For me, after 30 years off dogssport and breeding, I am still not rich and put money in my "hobby"... what would I do wrong...???

you people are geting the wrong message here. i was just pointing out that it is strange that the others in another thread could complain about paying so much for a stud fee and then charge the same amount for each and every pup. i have no problem paying for a top stud or pup. my yard proves that. i just think it is hypocritical to complain about the pricey stud fee and then feel it's OK to charge big $ for the pups.

meanderer990 you obviously are one of those that either can't read, don't understand what they read, or just like to run off at the mouth. please explain to me (if you can) how comments like: "You don't have to pay this much though, you can just go to the pound and pick one up for about $75.00. :-b" are of any benefit to anyone? perhaps reading and understanding a post before you respond would be in order. as well as keeping it adult and leaving the juvenial comments and the tounge to the elementary school students.

Think back to the days you either paid a stud fee or the stud owner had pick of the litter. Still happens in many areas and for many breeds. Consider how the much the "stud fee" is at that point.

10 pups in a litter? I don't know many breeders that get that many pups in each litter...more like 4-7 is the norm I have heard. Not to mention progesterone testing, (many top stud owners require this to be done, so as not to waste breeding time and energy), some also charge board if you leave the bitch, brucellosis test, (required for top studs), feeding, deworming, health exams, and vaccinations for all the pups, that profit is rapidly dwindling... Theresa

ramgsd: I totally agree with you 100%. I made the same argument on a similar post awhile back and it didn't go over very well either. You made some very good points. Some people may think $1,000 is out of line for a stud fee; I look at it this way if you've got a nice bitch, out of exceptional bloodlines you're not gonna breed her to just anything therefore $1,000 wouldn't be unreasonable for the stud dog owner to demand that price for a dog of equivalance. If my dogs pups are selling for more than $1,000 then I hardly think the stud fee being $1,000 is unreasonable or out of line. You don't get rich off breeding or studding dogs. Period. I personally offer my dog as a stud because he has so much to offer ones breeding program-the $1,000 stud fee is not gonna make me any wealthier. I want to weed out the people who are just looking to breed for sole purpose of profiting and who will breed to anything as long as they get a good deal. I think part of the market being saturated is due to that reason. People breeding and not even knowing what they are breeding or selling people. If you want top shelf well then you're gonna pay for top shelf; if you can't afford it then maybe you shouldn't drink. If an owner of a bitch isn't willing to pay for quality then maybe they shouldn't be breeding??? Make sense???

Ouch :-b