Breeders: Reason for "in house" only stud dogs? - Page 1

Just doing some research and it amazes me how many folks do not use their studs for outside covers.  Is this for economics (you want this blood line, you have to buy my pup)? Is it for health reasons? Do you just not want to be bothered with inquiries?  All valid points just curious what the deal is.

Kyle

I offer my males to outside females - but I can understand why some don't - for all of the reasons you stated - dealing with outside females is a PITB - clueless owners trying to figure out their females' cycles - dealing with owners when because they didn't figure out their females' cycles, they arrive too early or too late for the breeding - dealing with owners while they stay until their females are bred - "helping" owners - or dealing with the female being left while she is bred - having a female in standing heat staying at your facility - the liability of keeping the female at your facility - and all the time taken to communicate with people inquiring about your stud, coming to meet him, watch him work etc.  I do it all, but can understand clearly why some would rather not bother.

molly

I'm sure some state that to eliminate outside calls from the general public, but if the right female with proper titles, temp, health came along... You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. If you have a person call you for stud service and you believe the female is not breedworthy, the female's owner is going to find someone to breed with. Odds are, it is another dog that isn't breedworthy. So really by denying them service because you want to better the breed, you have just limited them to more garbage because they are going to breed anyhow.

I,ve had many requests to breed to my Axel even an offer to for me to lease him out to cover several breeding's. I guess my main issue is that with all the available litters that are pumped out hand over fist I don,t see the need.

Just go to the Puppies site on this web and look  at the multitude of litters available. every conceivable line crossing out there. I,m not in it for the cash I make my living at my job. And I worry too much about the puppies I,d create " I can,t live with "out of sight out of mind" mentallity of alot of breeders.

I will breed my Axel this spring because I need a male pup to replace him I will keep all the males in the litter work them till around 2 or so then make my decision as which 1 to keep (or 2) the rest will be placed in god working homes.

There are just some people with very good dogs that don,t feel the need to add to the surplus...

There are many good breeders out there delivering good dogs. I got my last female from  Jessy Gaberial and Rob Dunn you could not ask for better people and good to there word. These  are the kinds of breeders we need.

 

 

A lot has to do with a kennels reputation also. Keep in mind the name goes with the breeding, your name. Someone brings a bitch to be covered that is not what  she is suppose to be and throws dunghill(bad) pup  It's your reputation that is draged through the mud. Some folks  have the mentality that if you breed to a good male the pups will be just like him. I will to people that are dog people, not to any tom dick or harry out there.

A lot has to do with a kennels reputation also. Keep in mind the name goes with the breeding, your name. Someone brings a bitch to be covered that is not what  she is suppose to be and throws dunghill(bad) pup  It's your reputation that is draged through the mud. Some folks  have the mentality that if you breed to a good male the pups will be just like him. I will to people that are dog people, not to any tom dick or harry out there.

It is because they have no obligation to offer services to other people if they are not interested in spending time, and effort doing that.

There are so many things in life to do and be done, not everyone has the inclination or desire to spend time dealing with other bitch ng peoples.

One of the joys of having your own breeding program and living on the planet is you are not breathing air for others... Yes we are all in one big happy world together..but that does not mean one is obliged to spend time on offering stud service.

I dont think it is to slight anyone or any other reason..but for some breeders it may be I dont know.

Perhaps they would be willing to offer you frozen semen since that requires little effort from the male or stud owner. Its not what I would opt for at this stage in my pedigree,  but many folks do. J

Debi
www.sherman-ranch.us

And on the flip side..., when you offer outside stud services you have to be available and the male has to be able to perform when the bitch is ready...so you know its not for everyone. Some males are not able to perform on that level. Many are but there are also many who can not and do not and it is probably not worth the stud owners reputation to be offering outside stud service if he is a poor performer.

So different reasons, and different strokes. There is not a short supply of good males available so I would not let it bother me in any way. OF course, I think you were just curious...and good question.

Cheers,
D
www.sherman-ranch.us

++I,m not in it for the cash I make my living at my job.+++


yep and also as you say not everyone feels the need to ad to the population. It is not to slight folks, but we all do have personal choices to make and free to do so. at lest we do here in the states...THANK GOD :)
Debi

For me, frozen or fresh shipped semen means finding a vet who is a repro "specialist" - and then making sure they actually have the appointment available (that would be a last-minute and sometimes last-moment appointment when the female's owner called in a panic because she will be ready for breeding TOMORROW) - and the vet who can fit you in last-minute AND who has the equipment (shipping container, semen extender, shipping arrangements already with Fed-Ex). 

I got one of those paniced calls a few weeks ago, bitch was READY NOW and so I called around to my regular vet, who A) was out on horse-calls all day and B) didn't have the shipping container or semen extender anyway - and the repro-specialist vet who is an hour away who A) was off that day and the next B) didn't have an appointment available with the only other vet in his office who did collect/ship and C) didn't keep the shipping box or extender on hand - "that was up to the client to bring with them".

the only repro vet around here who can handle frozen semen is U of Penn (2+ hours away) and Dr Dove in VA (2.5 hours away) - and so again, would have to make the appointment IF they had one available, and make a days' trip to get the dog collected for shipping.  That's not exactly "easy" - much easier (for me) to have the female here on site to breed naturally or do a regular AI myself.

so again, I can certainly understand why stud dog owners opt not to offer their dogs' services to outside females - much less hassle just to use him for your own program.

molly