Can someone explain this to me? - Page 1

We often discuss here about te important from strong females producers, I total agree with that but why is the sport world dominant with males?.  IMO the balance is not correct I see too many males  @ the top and podiums ........., like to see more females...........

 

 WUSV  2016

 https://www.schaeferhunde.de/wusv-wm/ergebnisse/

 

 BSP 2016

https://www.schaeferhunde.de/fileadmin/BSP/Documents/Ergebnisse/bsp_2016_bsp.pdf

 

 NIAK  Holland

 http://www.hondensport.com/DH/uitslagen2016/NIAK_aangepasttijdschema.html

 

Not that difficult to explain - as long as puppies are produced "naturally" the females have to do "the job", and it´s not only about the pregnancies, but about the heat cycles ( hormones ), too - not the very best suppositions for "top" sport...

 

I understand that Susie but global the balance is not correct I don,t think every dog will be in heat when there are competitons , the club where I train are 5 females and only 2 males X malinois there is no
any problem with heat and training, they certified this dogs before 3 years old,and some doing competition also ( not in heat) but they are not 24-7 in heat or have pups

An other cliche is the best producers are not that podium dogs,,,,,,,,,,,, ok but I like to see some potential from their genetics under pressure from top handling.
 

 

I could postulate a number of reasons, Black Malinois, but I'm pretty sure you're as familiar with them as I...I think one reason is a close kin to the notion that the best dog must be huge, and that a dog that falls into the midpoint of the standard is disparaged by many as being 'small'.

Of course, not everyone can really 'click' with a bitch when it comes to training, either.

@ Hexe so I understand in WUSV and BSP they let dogs win about exterior ?

about click can also wrong with males.........

I think it depends a lot on whether or not a person is a breeder or they are a competitor. Males are larger, more powerful, no heat cycles, can breed and trial, no pregnancies and puppies, tend to be more consistent, and are often harder in temperament. They are more appealing to those whose goal is to trial and/or compete at the high levels. In the USA, especially, this is the majority of those competing.

Females are usually smaller, not always as much power or "wow" factor, are sometimes flaky when in heat, are usually out of commission for 3 months for a litter, are not always as hard in temperament, are not always as predictable in a trial, think too much for many handlers and are treated like they have the plague if they are in heat at a trial (eliminate this problem and I'll bet you would see more bitches competing at high levels). Most seem to be handled by breeders that actually care about proving their females.

I handle bitches. Have titled one male, keep getting told I should handle and title another, but I like my bitchy girls.

Lisa

 

Thanks for comments all

But why need I a big large male ?have seen enough lighter dogs doing perform better especial in attacks and global  they are faster, a small dog can also have a lot power and grip.

So global in GSD breed males have better tempermant I,m doubt about this.........

What about podium males bring more money stud sevice than females ? I ,m sure a lot handlers
think about that.

If I have a good female competition GSD why should I breed with her ?you can always breed at age of 5 yrs. There are also females who can switch very easy,


 

 

 

You can’t deny that in the majority of cases a male is going to be stronger and faster than a female of the same size. And although I’ve seen plenty of males from 70-80lbs definitely show more power and speed than a male 80+ lbs, it is generally the same for a female and one at 65+lbs (getting to the top of the standard) is rarely going to show the same speed and power that a smaller female at 50-60lbs shows. So even if a male is undersized (but within standard), if the dogs are truly world level dogs with drive, nerve, and temperament, the male will still be more powerful than a similarly sized female. I’ll also say that as a helper, I’ve worked some of the highest level females in the United States, and not once was I worried about being brought down by one of them. The fastest of females just don’t have the power and weight behind them to move a helper at that level.

A heat cycle is also very tough to trial with at the higher levels. At the USCA national events, the female would get 5 minutes of OB practice, 5 minutes of protection practice, and then do her obedience and protection routines all on the last day of the trial after all the other dogs have gone. So although the practice being close to the actual field time might be beneficial, the female rarely gets enough time to recoup from the obedience routine to the protection.

And yes, there is in theory more money in taking a male dog to a podium, but a female can be just as profitable if not more so depending on where you are in the world. For example, in the United States, with the current market, you’d probably easily be able to ask and get $3000 if not more for a puppy out of a female that placed at a national event. If the female has 30 puppies in her career, that’s $90,000. From what I’ve gathered, the top dogs in our country are now commanding $1500 stud fees. Which means the dog would need 60 studs over it’s lifetime to equal that amount, that will rarely if ever happen in the United States.

will be hard to breed 30 pups after a top sport career, also in Netherlands for example a bitch has to have first litter of pups before age of 5 or so and people who trail a top female are usually not willing to do so, in my club in holland was a world level female who faced that problem, do you want to retire her from sport before age of 5, and also it was difficult to get her pregnant at that age for first time,

Other Top female in my club had to be registered to other country to be able to breed after top career, not everybody is looking for those troubles

heatcycles,moodchanges etc are not helping to choose females for topsport as well

I would like to see each sex in its own class in National Competitions. I do not think it is equitable to compare females' work to the males, especially in protection.