HELP - Hip evaluation on non-GSD - Page 1

I am used to looking at GSD x-rays but this is an Olde English Bulldogge. I am looking to get a puppy and these are the hips of the parents of the litter. I am not expecting OFFA excellent because of the breed but what do you think of theses hips? First are the dam second are the sire.
It's hard enough to find a breeder of this breed who does any hip/elbow certification, never mind finding excellent hips... but would you get a puppy from this litter? Both parents elbows OFFA normal.

 

 

Can appreciate the problems of guesswork with a breed where there is little guidance; and I am not aware of hip problems, particularly, in the bulldogs (at least not on my side of the Pond) - just as well, since they have their fair share of other things that can go wrong (elbows, breathing difficulties, etc).
Just on the relation of the bones to their sockets on these X rays, I'd say they might get a 'Fair', having like you seen lots of GSD film. I don't think they are wonderful, but I don't think they look terrible either !
Nice clear pix.

Depending on what else you want from the pup, and presumably without any details on the state of the hips in the g/parents etc, it may be worth a gamble.

BTW you shouldn't have put this on Off Topic, Michelle - this is a dog-free zone board. Perhaps an Admin will move it to a general forum for you and get you some experienced Bulldog people to comment.

Given the incidence of hip dysplasia in that particular breed, you've got two options:

1. hold out for a pup from a line that has a better track record than most Bulldogs,

or

2. resign yourself to the fact that if ever there was a breed where getting sound hips was a crapshoot, it is this very breed, and focus instead on finding a pup from parents with as few skin allergies as possible.

 

From OFA's website, the top 10 breeds:

Hip Dysplasia Statistics

 

Trends in Hip Dysplasia (selected breeds)

Hip Dysplasia by Breed

Breeds having at least 100 evaluations January 1974 through December 2016

		All Data			Born 2011-2015
Breed	Rank	Number of Evaluations	Percent Excellent	Percent Dysplastic	Number Evaluations	Percent Excellent	Percent Dysplastic
BULLDOG	1	844	.4	71.8	203	.5	65.0
PUG	2	673	.0	70.3	109	.0	75.2
DOGUE DE BORDEAUX	3	584	.9	57.4	95	.0	54.7
NEAPOLITAN MASTIFF	4	189	2.6	51.3	9	11.1	44.4
OTTERHOUND	5	467	1.1	49.3	50	8.0	34.0
ST. BERNARD	6	2374	4.1	49.1	100	7.0	42.0
BRUSSELS GRIFFON	7	101	1.0	45.5	23	.0	60.9
CLUMBER SPANIEL	8	1050	3.0	43.7	124	4.0	35.5
BOERBOEL	9	225	7.6	42.7	78	9.0	34.6
BLACK RUSSIAN TERRIER	10	740	3.6	42.2	196	3.6	38.3

Yup, probably a transatlantic thing. (But skin problems feature over here, too).
BTW I don't think the "Olde Englishe" Bulldog has much of an equivalent here in "old England". I just had to think 'Bulldogs' generically.

Same here, Hundmutter. The "Olde English Bulldogge" is an American revision, so to speak, on what is also just called the Bulldog here in the US as well. The OEB's are larger than the traditional Bulldog, developed for a longer-legged dog whose weight isn't all centered on its forehand, and to be "free-breathing, free-breeding and free-whelping" dogs, modeled on the older versions of the Bulldog. OFA doesn't show any hip stats for the OEB; they aren't recognized by the AKC, but the United Kennel Club [UKC] gave them full recognition in 2013.

Yes, Hexe, we do have some (only comparitively few) over here, but they are not recognised by our KC; and are split between different groups of people, most of whom have come away from the 'Show' Bulldogs, all of whom seem to be looking for different things! The only 'standard' view seems to include longer legs, there are some who are worried about the flat faces / breathing problems, and skin troubles - and some who don't sound as if they care. I met a few such 'breeders' when living in SE London; not so common in my rural retreat, but you still see things in the Dog Papers.
Still, its probably good that there do not seem to be excessive HD problems, over here, 'cos I would not wish them on the dogs, and would have got to hear about those too. Lots of vet programmes on TV with a facination for skeleto/osteo issues !