Opinions on this breeding? - Page 1

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Can any one here give me their honest opinion on this pairing? I do have a picture of the mother but I do not feel comfortable posting it without the breeder's permission.

This is for my first working dog (IPO for sure, maybe dabble in showing purely for experience). Posting not because I don't trust the breeder, but because I am aware of my inexperience.

Thank you for any response.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/breeding.result?father=1348842&mother=2194172

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Have always thought him a beautiful and well-constructed dog, though there will be many people who say they wouldn't want that much Fado.
Could never understand what possessed them to name him "Sharon".
(There's a Britcentric opinion for you !). Will have to look the mother up separately... Do you have any further info on her health tests ? Hips/ ED results etc ?  If nothing's been done, frankly I wouldn't be looking for her to be the dam of my next pup.

Thank you for the response! Mom is rated hips good elbows normal OFA according to the breeder. What problems do people have with Fado if you don't mind me asking?

Sorry I was just passing on 'gossip' in the sense that I seem to have seen a good many posts (and thought you too may have seen them) saying the person does not want to choose a pup with Fado behind it; or will not be breeding a certain way because they can't find a stud clear of Fado influence; but I personally have no clear idea just what it is that they are trying to avoid, perhaps some of those posters will come back to you with some details !

I'm guessing they might be trying to avoid back issues. There has been a video circulating by an Austrian National Competitor that has named dogs with back issues. From Fado, Fero, Timmy, Troll, Nick (because of Timmy) and several Staatsmacht dogs...

Most of it has been circulated for years but he's actually named a serious amount of names that have produced back problems and that have had back surgery.

Over ten years ago, on this forum I wrote that the sport breeders through Timmy/Troll were going to have the same health/ temperament issues that SL dogs have incurred because of Canto/Quanto. Only with the latter the current conformation was sought instead of the sport drives with the former. And for novice thinkers, I'm not saying Canto, Quanto, Timmy, or Troll were bad dogs per se, it's the indiscrimate backmassing on these dogs to achieve a singular purpose like gait, color or prey drive, grips. The further you go, the more health issues, eventually temperament becomes SECONDARY to these singular traits. Many of my top sport friends pooh poohed me for messing with Czech dogs twenty years ago and god forbid mixing them with German sport lines. Oh Well, when you are addicted to anything, even color, drives, grips, or gaits, you always exclude the middle or balance that pulls you away from your FIX. But these people are the ribbon/podium folks, and they KNOW what's best for the breed....Right?

And this is why true outcrossing is so important!

I've been saying the exact same thing in the other topic when they were talking about linebreeding. Keep on backmassing, Keep on inbreeding. I'll outcross. TRUE outcrossing. Not what others consider as outcrossing. Because if we continue down this path, our breed is going to end up like the Doberman.

Breed would be fine if anyone except for one breeder actually stepped up and tried to prove their dogs working ability and also their production. At the moment, there's one kennel that does it which is why we are in a little bit of a trouble spot right now (especially in the United States).

Breeding looks good though, I'm sure you'll get some decent drive out of it. I wouldn't worry much about some dog that's 5+ generations back in the pedigree, for your purposes (and for the purposes of some that are commenting), it makes no difference.

The dogs in the 5 the generation influence the 4 the generation, especially when the fifth generation is the same dog three times. Then the fourth generation influences the third, bigly. And the third generation being line bred again as in 3- 4 , now you have the genes from the dog in the fifth generation concentrated even more. So the fifth generation does have profound influence.
The question to ask is, do the parents have sound temperaments, or are they bouncing off the walls unable to settle?