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by stoelzle on 15 December 2015 - 17:12
I am going out the door today to put money in my account to be able to charge.
Dam : Carmen von Hirschberg. Sire : Ufo Riwal Hof. Puppies are longcoat to longcoat born November 06, 2015 and ready to go home on New Years Day.
Sorry to sound so clumsy about doing this. I am not so good at all things modern but great at loving and raising the pups!
I have been following your site for 2 years now but have never been on this side of the fence.

by susie on 15 December 2015 - 17:12
Any other titles / health results we are not able to see?
Vaccinations, dewhorming, food, should be mentioned,
character of the parents, and character of the pups,
AKC (limited or not) registration,
raised outside or inside,
socialised ?
Potty trained? And so on...
I am not able to give you any advice about the "worth" of your puppies - I am German, we think different in this case.
First of all you need to screen any potential buyers, a "new" breeder never will get the money an established breeder gets in your country,
That said, I´d try to find GOOD homes for the pups.
Good luck!
by VKFGSD on 15 December 2015 - 18:12

by susie on 15 December 2015 - 19:12
Everything that´s not forbidden is allowed... you can´t blame people for following the rules.
You need to change the rules in case you don´t like them ...
For me this litter sounds like a perfect AKC German Shepherd litter, not better or worse than the majority bred in the US.
by VKFGSD on 15 December 2015 - 20:12

by susie on 15 December 2015 - 21:12
There is OFA prelims, there is PennHip, and there is SV...all of it better than nothing.
How many breeders are "reputable" in your country? By my standard it´s a tiny minority.
The "normal" customer will be glad to get a healthy, well sozialised pet.

by RMA2 on 15 December 2015 - 22:12
Yes in the U.S. OFA is the primary registry. If this breeder is actually responsible he/she would have OFA prelims at the minimum.From what I am cyphering, there are no PenHips or OFA prelims done on either of these parents. JMHO but NO responsible person breeds before the minimal testing is done or to allow the animal to breed when it is under two. I remember seeing a previous rambeling, rude and basically unbalanced post from this person that gave me pause. I was left scratching my head and was hoping they were not actually planning a litter. Apparently I was wrong. If my memory serves me, Stoelzle had not done any DM testing prior to breeding either nor even knew what DM was. With no preliminary hip testing done nor DM testing, we here in California would call this person a irresponsible "Back Yard Breeder". This site is meant to promote responsible breeding of healthy GSD's not try to soothe and support the actions of irresponsible people just trying to make a quick buck. If this person has been lurking here for two years and has still not learned from ads posted by other breeders just what legitimate, responsible breeders include in their ads or the process of placing their animals in good homes then they must still be too out of touch. I have also followed this site for years for guidance and input from responsible breeders. I have never purchased any of my animals from BYB's and will never support them. I agree with VKFGSD on all counts. If this breeder has not bothered to test properly before breeding then the most these pups should be sold for is "pet" only or "buyer beware". And this "breeder" should STOP producing any more pups. Too many GSD's end up in shelters already because of health and temperament issues.
Rommel M.
by stoelzle on 17 December 2015 - 15:12
Sire of this litter is 5 year old, tested for all, father to many, at a large reputable kennel. His hips are OFA good and he has an excellent breeding record. He is of great character and has a lovely disposition. He is a beautiful long coat male. Both dam and sire are current on vaccinations and in good health.
Dam was 20 months when bred and had prelim testing on hips. She comes from a long line of OFA certified VA parents, all with excellent pedigrees. Her temperment is lovely with a tad bit of independence and stubborness. Otherwise, a very loving animal that everyone comments that I am lucky to own. She came from a reputable, established breeder out of Texas that neither has a large kennel nor is a backyard breeder. He also recently bred a sister dog that he kept from her litter and had done prelim testing that was good. Her look alike long coat male from the same litter is currently owned and being used as a stud by an established US breeder who breeds only long coats.
I was not inquiring on the pricing of my pups but rather, having read informative posts and seen dogs advertised on this site for a couple years, I simply wanted to know the cost of advertising.
This is my fourth litter, having owned and bred GSDs in the past.
Dam to this litter is of unlimited registration, raised indoors and has full run of 1/2 acre fenced yard. She eats 'Taste of the Wild', supplemented with 'silk balls' (minus the junky filler) and some raw.
Her little darlings are very well cared for and have been fed excellent food supplementing mother's milk, colostrum added and raw (frozen goats milk) with a dash of Newman's Own organic wet. They were born and raised indoors, receive socialization and love. I am certain they will be excellent dogs that provide much happiness and satisfaction in their new, forever homes. My contract will offer replacement should their be any hereditary medical difficulties that would preclude the dog from living a normal healthful life given the buyer provides high grade dog food, quality vet care and reasonable exercise. I have sold one puppy and am keeping a female from this litter. I also own a one year old Polish import out of Desperados (V10 this year) and Prada.
Sorry, I was not more explicit. I just wanted to know the cost of advertising on PDB. My own fault for giving too much but, at the same time, not enough information. Thank you all for sharing your concerns. I appreciate your interest.

by watsongsd on 17 December 2015 - 16:12
by stoelzle on 17 December 2015 - 17:12
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