Question on the 5 trunk bloodlines of the GSD genealogy - Page 1

According to a GSD pedigree map and an interpretation by an experienced breeder,  5 main ( or trunk bloodlines can be traced back to Horand Grafath. Along the way prominent sons of these  5 trunk progenitors have  created  secondary lines ( ex: Greif Lahntal has greatly influenced the  3rd trunk  bloodline founded by Klodo Boxberg ). I have an interest in the second trunk bloodline which was founded by Hettel  V Uckermark. 

Does anyone know ( 1)  the chracteristics of dogs representative of this line ? ( temperament, etc )

  (2)   Any living ( or proably not too long passed on ) Sire that have been known for his prepotency to pass on the characteristics of t                                    Hettel Uckermark Line .

Here is a link to the genealogy map:  

http://www.schaeferhunde.de/fileadminBSP/pdf/Ergebnisse/Archiv/Blutlinienplaene/Blutlinienplan_BSP_2012_HP.pdf

where are the experts??

Probably at work. Is there a rush the dog has been gone for awhile now, and probably the line is to diluted to be of any use,

Don't know where you're going with this but let me throw my two cents in. Not sure where you see that Greif had an influence on the third trunk since he came off the "trunk" of Klodo (from what I'm seeing and I might be misreading the chart), thus not influencing but was influenced by Klodo. Also, if you are trying to trace a line that consistently throws certain traits, it would be next to impossible to figure who threw/influence what from the chart. For example, some of the noted WL dogs had the Rolf trunk crossed into the Hettel trunk that had some very good outcome. If you look at Max v tiekerhook (2002), you will see the influence of the Utz trunk via Gildo crossed onto the Hettel line via Fero. A very powerful dog. So who or which line influenced which line?

So if that's the direction you're going, that's fine and dandy to want to know part of the trunk a particular dog is off. Knock yourself out looking for influence. Also, from the chart, I view the Utz starting influence as the most significant of the trunk not the Hettel although one can say that the Utz influence came from the Hettel line and so on back to Hector/Horan. But then you ask the question as to what influence did the bitch play in this and from what branch.
There are fantastic dogs from all the branches so don't get too wrapped up in different phases of the trunk. As far as I'm concern, there is only one trunk...Horan..

Sorry, I misread the part of Greif influence on the line that WAS founded by Klodo. You are correct. And I believe you were talking about Hans.But the scenario I think still holds true.

The chart is interesting to look at is there a key for the chart ? I would guess the creator put the dogs in purple on who they felt were key producing dogs,I wonder if this chart is one breeders opinion or a chart made up by a panel of experts,where are the females are they not worthy of major branches also ? I want to see a chart of strickly females.

Beyond my brain capacity to follow lines of so called pre-potency to predict the influence on a pup today, how do you just ignore all the crossed lines?

the charts are annually produced by the SV based on dogs participating in BSP and BSZ, respectively. the more interesting info comes from longitudinal and x-sectional comparisons, especially BSP versus BSZS sire pool. if you take out the working dogs from the BSZ chart, it becomes a pretty narrow and ostensibly frightening affair; on the other hand, it also explains a lot.

https://www.schaeferhunde.de/fileadminBSP/pdf/Ergebnisse/Archiv/Blutlinienplaene/Blutlinienplan_BSP_2014.pdf

http://www.schaeferhunde.de/fileadminBSZS/pdf/Ergebnisse/Archiv/Blutlinienplaene/Blutlinienplan_GHKLR_2014.pdf  (BSZ all males)

http://www.schaeferhunde.de/fileadminBSZS/pdf/Ergebnisse/Archiv/Blutlinienplaene/Blutlinienplan_GHKLH_2014.pdf (BSZ all females)

^ I would pay money to sit down with an experienced hand to work through those charts and just talk about dogs.

that would be a delightful way to spend an afternoon imo.

I agree vkgsd a great way to spend an afternoon talking dogs and lines