Mondioring Offically recognized by FCI - Page 1

It's Oficial, FCI just recognized Mondioring!

Wonderful news for this sport lovers!

unfortunately it wont make much if any difference to gsd world. Just curious why would it make any difference to anyone to get the blessing of the fci, has the fci ever done anything to improve breed standards of working dogs, just asking.

Vk, I think the significance is that dogs like Lubic Mahler Meister ( who is knpv titled) is not able to be used by sv registered dogs. Maybe with fci recognizing the mondio title, breeders can use those dogs in their breeding program and register their litters by them. The change is better for the breed in general.

thanks for the misinformation, joanro. KNPV has absolutely nothing to with mondio or the FCI, for that matter. also, i'm not quite sure why you claim KNPV dogs like Lübeck can't be used in breeding, especially since he has been used quite extensively. if you're referring to the SV, you'd be wrong again as the SV, and not the FCI, decides which titles it accepts. however, VDH registration as well as the SV Appendix program, for verifiable gsds only,  have been available for a long time. 

now how is FCI acceptance of a sporting/event bettering breeds?  one might argue FCI control over event specifications, e.g., removing of stick hits and gun shots from IPO or its position that IPO is a sport not a (stylized) test of utility dogs, has the opposite effect. and which breed are you talking about?  gsd use, for example, in all fci utility-type competitions is quite low compared to, say, malis; in mondio the use of gsd's is absolutely minuscule so even if the FCI recognition of mondio had a positive impact on breeds, the impact would be felt among the mali and maybe dutchie breeders, certainly not gsd breeders. all that, of course, is good news for those of us who think the gsd should not be an excessively high prey drive dog.

on the more relevant side of things, FCI recognizing mondio at the very least validates the sport, may bring some additional resources to the table, and and adds FCI trials(s). with that heightened awareness, one can hope people will be able to tell the difference between mondio and, say, KNPV.

Go for it Bebo!!! Thank you for putting out good info on this subject!

I am a fan of Mondio and am impressed by the dog's performance while competing. I am not a big fanboy of the FCI, but say congrats to Mondioring for finally getting its 'Official' welcome

Bebo, the knpv dog was used as an analogy, or in other words ; comparison...hopefully most readers could see that. Sorry you misunderstood.

Although, joanro could have chosen a better example than Lubic Mahler Meister, whom has both SV and NHSB numbers, the overall concept proposed, is indeed sound.  Being accepted by FCI most likely means that the CAC and CACIB in Intermediate class, Open Class, Working Class or Champion Class can now be awarded for a dog with a Working Class Certificate (WCC) issued for earned Mondio titles.

So the real question now is, how does the SV officially view the CAC and CACIB, per thier published rules?  Also hypothetically, for example, what kind of SV papers are issued to litters born, from say, an SV registered KKL/IPO3 sire and an NHSB registered CACIB/MR3 dam?  I'd say susie is the most likely to be able to answer these questions because she can fluently read German and has access to the full SV rules (not the "cliff notes" versions posted by the WDA and USCA). 

Its possible that one day, in the future, a German Shepherd with an MR3 title could be eligible for an SV breed survey, like they currently allow for IRO issued Rettungshunde titles or even the possibility that a Brevet will be accepted in lieu of a BH (for example, currently, a BH can be substituted for the CSAU in French Ring).

Where is the link to the press release?

Per the sv numbers, momosgarage, you are correct. Perhaps it's the lack of a IPO title that prevents the GSL breeders from being able to use him in their program....I dunno, maybe it doesn't matter, I thought it did.
But like you said, momogarage, Susie can probably shed some light on this topic.

For SV only IPO/RH2/herding titles count ( plus DH and blind guard dogs ) - these dogs, in case they are HD/ED x-rayed, are allowed to take part in a breed survey, nothing else yet - sorry. FCI is not responsible for SV breeding rules - I´m pretty sure SV will change the rules one day, but not yet.
SchH/IPO is a "German" title, the breed is a "German" breed, as long as there are enough people participating in IPO there is no real reason to change the rules.
I´d like to see official acknowledgement of mondioring titles/KNPV titles by SV - but that´s me.

Hi Susie, thanks for responding.  I was posting some hypotheticals, but how does the SV view a GSD with the CAC or CACIB for breeding?

For dogs like Lubic Mahler Meister, they should just have someone cross train and title him for Rettungshunde.  The SV considers the higher RH titles the same as the IPO and HGH, for breed survey purposes.