OFA/OFEL Registration - Page 1

Anyone ever have a breeder tell you they get hips/elbows OFA's, but will not let OFA post the results due to privacy of their owners??? In this case this dog is owned by the breeder I sold this female to with a 26 warranty and void if used in any breeding program prior to OFA of at least Good and normal elbows. Do not understand privacy of a dog you are breeding to sell pups to public and OFA says this is not true if the dog was ever OFA'd they would have record.

Not true but then just ask the person who did the OFA to show you the copy of the OFA report that was sent to them We all get them no matter good or bad results.

From the OFA application for hip and elbow evaluations ...

I hereby certify that the image submitted is of the animal described on this application and that neither the pelvic nor the elbow conformation have been surgically altered. I understand that the image
submitted will be retained by the OFA. I understand that the image is submitted for a consensus evaluation based on the independent, professional judgment of consulting board-certified veterinary
radiologists, and I hereby release the OFA from any and all liability resulting from the consensus evaluation. I understand the OFA will release normal hip and/or elbow results for dogs over 24 months
to the public, and by submitting this application I agree the OFA may do so. Abnormal hip and/or elbow results will not be released to the public unless the initials of a registered owner appear in the
authorization box below. Normal hip results are defined as consensus evaluations of Excellent, Good, or Fair. Abnormal hip results are defined as consensus evaluations of Mild, Moderate, or Severe. For
the purpose of determining whether or not the results will be released to the public, consensus hip evaluations of Borderline are considered abnormal. Normal elbow results are defined as a consensus

evaluation of Normal. All other elbow consensus evaluations are considered abnorma

I actually asked her if she OFA/OFEL certified her prior to making a breeding is how I got this answer. She tells me she had her done when she was 2yrs old which she was 2yrs old March 13, 2015. I asked when her 12 wks old pups out of this female we sold to her were, she said they were born May 1, 2015. My puppies were born April 25, 2015 and they are now going to be 8wks this weekend. She has the only two pups born (she said) to this young female listed on her site as Rare Black long coats etc. I did also email OFA and a very nice and informative lady wrote me back saying this dog shows up no where in their testing. So just wondering how many other breeders as this breeder said practices this "NO Tell" with proof of hips/elbows done and such a big breeder for 32yrs I get told everytime I ask a question about my dog. I only wanted to know since not everyone worries about xrays and our dogs seem to live long happy lives of 12 to 16 yrs, but I have always thought important to be honest about the results and not breed if they do not pass and certainly not breed prior to getting a result is what I have done with good success so far. I wish I would have never sold to this breeder and I could kick myself, as I did see some red flags, then she turned all nice to get what she wanted, now going to sell her with no papers and we will never know what happened to her. Thank you Western Rider and Blitzen for your comments.

It's called lying. Some people are very, very good at it...much better than they are at breeding dogs, in fact. Sorry to hear one of your dogs landed in the clutches of such an individual.

Sometimes there are minor spelling errors between the OFA listed names and the actual names of the dog and it is always a good idea to search a few times using a unique part of the dog's name. However, if one has talked to OFA and there is no record of that dog in their database, the dog has not been evaluated by that organization. 

Breeders can get away with saying anything when there is no way to verify their claims.  It will always be buyer beware. A bit off topic, but that's my biggest objection to not using the OFA scheme for DM DNA testing. The other lab is as accurate, but without a searchable data base there is no way to verify the results unless the owner has paid to list it with OFA which most aren't going to do, so it's back to having to depend on the ethics of the owner.

A bit off topic, but that's my biggest objection to not using the OFA scheme for DM DNA testing. The other lab is as accurate, but without a searchable data base there is no way to verify the results unless the owner has paid to list it with OFA which most aren't going to do, so it's back to having to depend on the ethics of the owner.

-Blitzen

Not only are individual DNA samples not searchable, the AKC DNA information can be held by the owner of the dog indefinitely, preventing parentage testing.  That means you ALWAYS need their WRITTEN permission to run a DNA test on a dog you own, against the DNA of a dog that they own.  I have found that many owners will not grant permission for an AKC DNA parentage test and the AKC will not tell you whom you need to get permission from, nor will they ask on your behalf. 

Its gets even worse, despite using the same DNA testing company (Neogen/GeneSeek), the DNA results are all held in "walled gardens", meaning for example, an individual dog with a UKC DNA sample can be transferred to the AKC at the owners request, but the UKC cannot request that the AKC provide the DNA of an EXISTING dog's sample, to test against a UKC dog that is requesting a DNA parentage test, from a specific sire or dam (despite using the SAME DNA sampling method).  Remember this information is all being stored and tested through the SAME COMPANY.  At the very least, when a dog dies, its DNA results should become publicly searchable and available for parentage testing across all registries that are using the same DNA testing facility and/or sampling method that can be easily transferred. 

Everything was spelled correctly and even gave the Registration number on her and neither OFA or I could locate and this breeder will not give me any answer either way. I stand behind my contract if there was a problem, so guessing like she does everything, she didn't want to waste her money on getting OFA. I do hope she at least had the hips/elbows looked at, but never the less she bred our female prior to 2yrs old and lied to me about that too. I just pray she gets a better home with the new owners she says she is not giving papers to due to Law Enforcement family and privacy...whatever. I always respect privacy of anyone no matter what their occupation. She is just mean spirited at the expense of the breed in the end.

Sometimes there are minor spelling errors between the OFA listed names and the actual names of the dog and it is always a good idea to search a few times using a unique part of the dog's name

Quite true--but if I were interested in a dog, or a puppy from a particular dog, and I couldn't readily find it in the OFA database, I'd give the person I was dealing with one more chance, and ask them for the dog's registration number as it was entered for the OFA eval. THAT should always bring up the result if the dog truly was evaluated and given a passing rating, period. If it doesn't--and there's been sufficient time for OFA to have updated the results, of course--then I'd have no problem considering the person who was trying to convince me that such a rating existed a lying liar with pantalones a fuego.

Points well taken, Momo. Sad, isn't it?