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by TopK9services on 23 May 2015 - 19:05
When I contacted her to ask her about the situation and tell her that it was not agreeable to me as it was not what we had discussed, she blocked me. She will not answer emails (screen shots attached), private messages via facebook, texts, or phone calls. At this point, it's not even about the money, it's about the principle of the matter. I tried to do something nice to someone who told me they didn't have money to pay for a stud fee, and this it what I get?
by TopK9services on 23 May 2015 - 19:05
Also, read her dirt laundy on her own website http://firelightkennel.weebly.com/dirty-laundry.html
by CurtisM4 on 23 May 2015 - 20:05
We did want to pick up at 6 weeks because she doesn't separate litters and we didn't want brow beaten pups who'd been bullied by each other. When she refused I agreed to her demands but she NEVER RESPONDED.
She demanded we picked a pup at 5 weeks, then picked him up physically at 8 weeks on a specific date and time that was impossible to do so. First of all, how can you pick a working prospect at 5 weeks reliably? Even still, I agreed and me and Tony decided just to pick out a pretty pup to resell as a pet but she never responded. We didn't refuse to pick up the pup. She refused to respond and set up a date and time to make it possible.
Here's an UNANSWERED message from me to her: "Which makes no sense because we are actual working dog people who pick puppies based on their drive and soundness, not color or a photo. It's hard to pick at 5 weeks in person, and impossible to do it from here. But, if that's the way it's got to be, just send me a photo at 5 weeks, I'll pick the "prettiest" boy like a pet buyer would do, I'll pick it up at 8 weeks, and if it's not physically or temperamentally ruined by being bullied by the other pups for the extra 2 weeks of the stronger puppies exerting force over the weaker ones to establish a pecking order, everything will be fine and that will be that, business concluded."
Again, no answer, thus no way to pick up the pup. She's flat out lying.

by bubbabooboo on 23 May 2015 - 20:05
TopK9services I am not a fan either .. send me a PM and I will explain. I had a stud dog that she wanted to buy and I had second and third thoughts about her the more I dug ... didn't sell to her. She keeps company with some people in the dog business ( her business references to me for my stud dog's purchase ) who have left some deep wagon ruts around KY and VA. She tends to buy old brood bitches (with excellent pedigrees) but with advanced age and get all she can out of them long after they should be retired. I decided my stud dog would get the same treatment as she wanted to collect semen. In my opinion she is either a shrewd business woman or the other thing .. either way best to avoid .. PM me!! I believe I have seen one of her dogs in a contributor and member of the forum's avatar .. so she may be a contributor we know or think we know by another handle. I have run into others which breed for the money and like to outsmart and out maneuver others in business deals .. they tend to be bad for the dogs and treat them like a commodity with a shelf life and an expiration date. Selling or buying a dog to them is like selling used cars. I can't treat my dogs like that nor will I deal with those that do if I know it in advance. Probably lucky if you only lost a stud fee.

by Western Rider on 23 May 2015 - 20:05
1. One cannot read your screen shots
2. Don't post private messages web site facebook OK
3. Please make a cast of characters so many different names used for so few people lost track of whose side each is on LOL
When where will it end The colors of both parties have been shown
by CurtisM4 on 23 May 2015 - 20:05
Curtis =....Curtis...me, the guy who was going to physically pick up the pup for Tony.
Brandy = Firelight kennel = didn't honor agreement. Lied about us not trying to pick up the pup when in reality she stopped all contact.
by CurtisM4 on 23 May 2015 - 20:05

by Western Rider on 23 May 2015 - 21:05
Thank you for the cast line up makes it easier to keep track of the events
Didn't want any one to get carried away and post private messages or email, but web site content and facebook messages are not private so all is good
Just can't read the screen shots that are posted
I am not the enemy just wanted more information for myself and if anyone else needed it
by hexe on 24 May 2015 - 03:05
Not on anyone's side here either, TopK9Services/CurtisM4, but I can't say I think too highly of your expressed intention to take your pup from the litter at just 6 weeks of age--it simply is not beneficial to the pup's development, period. Your claim that you didn't want your pick pup 'browbeaten' by stronger pups in the litter is quite telling: if a pup is inherently a beta or omega within his or her nestmates, that's the pup's nature, and you'll never change that inherent character, no matter what you do. Any confidence you think you're instilling in such a pup will dissipate as soon as the dog is truly challenged, so while it might make it as a sport dog it would never be a dog that anyone should rely on in a life-threatening situation. That doesn't make it a 'bad' dog or, as some like to call them, a 'shitter'...it just means the dog is not suited for a career that calls for courage under duress.
And regardless of whether the agreed-upon stud fee is paid or not, since you have admitted that you did breed your male to this person's bitch and a litter did result from that mating, the AKC WILL require you to sign off on the registration paperwork for the puppies--and if you don't, your registration privilages will likely be suspended, and the organization will issue registrations for the pups anyway. Your arena of remedy will be small claims court, and without a written contract or proof that there was any agreement for a cash stud fee to be paid in lieu of a pup, you will have an uphill battle.
As the saying goes, "There are no winners in a game of losers." Hopefully the pups are able to escape that taint.
by joanro on 24 May 2015 - 13:05
The litter CANNOT be reg without the stud dog owner signing off for the litter reg.
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