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by 69RS on 28 February 2007 - 18:02
can someone please explain to me why a 3/3 linebreeding is better than a 5/5 linebreeding
iam not sure if iam asking the ? properly
by VomFelsenHof on 28 February 2007 - 18:02
69RS,
A 3-3 linebreeding versus a 5-5 linebreeding just means it is a closer linebreeding. Depending on the dog being linebred to, this can be a good or a bad thing.
i.e., if you have a dog that is known to produce certain faults, and there HAS To be a linebreeding to that particular dog, because of something else you are trying to accomplish with that breeding, you would prefer that dog that produces faults have a 5-5 linebreeding rather than a 3-3 linebreeding.
However, if you have a dog who consistently produces awesome progeny, you would want that dog to be linebred on 3-3, rather than 5-5.
I hope this makes sense. If not, feel free to email me privately and I would be happy to expound.
:)
Melanie
by marci on 28 February 2007 - 19:02
your correct Melanie... And to add 5-5 being remotely linebred will bring out a greater GENEPOOL and if the other dogs in the pedigree also produce good characteristics // You harvest the good one and trying to correct the bad ones .
the advantage of 3-3 is to see what your line can bring. Me I'm trying to breed out, curly tails although the progeny is uniform and EARs better than the dam.
It was coorected by moving the same line-breed to 5-5
Chao
by 69RS on 28 February 2007 - 19:02
thnks for the info
by D.H. on 01 March 2007 - 04:03
genepool stays the same, the total genepool is limited to the foundation dogs that created this breed.
by Bob-O on 01 March 2007 - 13:03
I concur 100% with D.H.. The gene pool is what it is, and cannot be changed as long as GSD's are bred to GSD's. The purpose of the linebreed to to concentrate the genetic "mix" of dogs who produce the genotype and phenotype that is desired.
The more recent the linebreed, the more prominent the linebred ancestors present themselves, and a 5-5 linebreed is of little consequence compared to a 3-3 or more recent such as a 2-3.
And the answer to your question [[can someone please explain to me why a 3/3 linebreeding is better than a 5/5 linebreeding?]] A 3-3 linebreeding will not be better or worse than a 5-5, but it will more accurately reproduce the linebred ancestors, and their qualities both good and bad.
Bob-O
by pod on 01 March 2007 - 15:03
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by Shelley Strohl on 01 March 2007 - 17:03
I agree with everything so far. In my case/program, I am not necessarily trying to correct anything, or to improve much... but to preserve and maintain what I have for now and into the future.
The correction part has already been done by the person(s) I buy my breed stock from. I wish I could take credit for that, but the only credit I can take is for having the intelligence to follow their lead. ;)
To that end, late this year or next year I will be breeding my Pallo Arolser Holz daughter to Carol, for a 4,2 linebreeding on Pallo,Wunni (full brother/sister).
This is a close line-breeding, not so close as to need special permission in Germany, but one that might raise an eyebrow or two from people not familiar with the quality of the line.
Pallo produced one female that didn't OFA, and one female with no interest in protection, no other faults. I can live with that. Wunni and several of the other full brothers and sisters (that breeding, by Marc Herkulesblick out of Orpie Busecker Schloss, was repeated FIVE times!) produced LOTS of good dogs in Germany and now in the US. Those dogs, and a couple more (Alfred Kuhlen Norden, Neck Maineiche, Grief Lahntal) are the foundation of my breeding program. I don't want to distill it much till I have to. I wish I had frozen more semen from Pallo. I won't make that mistake with Carol!
Hope this helps some.
SS
by Shelley Strohl on 01 March 2007 - 17:03
Note:
You will notice only ONE incidence of Fero (through Timmy) in my program, and NO Mink.
Whether or not I introduce another, via my young as-yet-untitled male, Bijou vom Dreilutzower Schloss, (linebred 4,4 Harro, 1 incidence of Fero, 4th gen., through Troll) depends on what I see in my B litter as they mature and earn their titles, and what females I might purchase in future.
The chances of my introducing Mink into my line are very slim. He's been dead a long time, and I didn't like him or much of what he produced when he WAS alive.
You will not see any "old" East German or E. European dogs in my program as they would bring a complete outcross (NO linebreding) and any problems that came with them might take 2-3 generations to surface, and a lot more to "fix." I am already 55. I might not live long enough! Ha ha ha.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
LOL
SS
by Silbersee on 01 March 2007 - 20:03
It is best explained in Malcolm Willis' book "The Genetics of Dogs".
To calculate the linebreeding, please check out:
http://www.dogstuff.info/playing_coi_sharp.html
Chris
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