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VOTAN

by VOTAN on 14 April 2015 - 23:04

This Female is Stolen..... If u see here with Edith and Heinz u know they are not the right owners of this beutifull femal,, they only say so...

Vixen av Quantos
Part1.
Story from the first time we meet Edith Zielinzky and Heinz Bogards.

Me and Gerd Sørensen how are the owner of Vixen, was contacted of Edith under HAS 2013(Danish sigershow) She ask if she can buy Vixen and if she can see here, but Vixen was at the time sick of eating a Maiscorn howl. So she did not come for the show place before Sunday. We said no they cannot buy Vixen, and then she asks if they could lend Vixen to show here in Germany together with Fred v. Rumbachtal up to BSZS 2014. I said to Edith that I must talk to Gerd about that because she would not send here away. After a while we agree that Edith and Heinz cold lend Vixen but there where said many times that we should not pay anything for it. That was all ok fore Edith and Heinz, we talk then when she should go for Germany, and we wanted her to be healthy before she goes down there so we kept here with us until January 2014. Because they could not come for the Christmas show in Denmark 2013 26.12.13 with here. We decided to deliver here in New Year show in Holland 2014 04.01.14. Where we also did say many times that this is not about the money, is all fore Ur benefit for Fred. For this we have witness in or handler Morten Snedker Jensen.
In the meantime me and Gerd was in Germany with Edith and Heinz for breeding Vixen`s half-sister Gipsygården`s Diddi with Fred. Fred would not mate here. But that’s another story. Then we ask if Edith and Heinz where interested in breeding Vixen and that they cold do that as payment for everything, but then Vixen must have IPO1. And Körung Fore BSZS 2014, Witch she did not have.. Then they could have one litter with Vixen.
We also make x-ray and DNA with Vixen this trip in Germany.
When we delivered Vixen at New Year show, they said that they cold not make IPO1. And Körung with Vixen cause they did not have a helper in there ortsgruppe. And that we must pay for the IPO1. And Körung fore Vixen. But then I said I take here home and make it in Denmark when BSZS Is owner. So that has always been the meaning when they said that they cold not make IPO1.
The only thing we said that Edith and Heinz had to do to lend Vixen was that they have to come to HAS 2014. And that they agreed with, they should show Fred and some other dogs also. Everything else was up to them. And I think that they did a very good job with Vixen, so when I 3.month before BSZS get offered to change the place for Vixen I turned them down. I also said no to every offer of selling here. so that have never been an issue.
The only once how have had an income of Vixen stay in Germany have to be Edith and Heinz, I believe Fred`s carrier was on the way down before they started to show Vixen In Germany. But after Vixen come to Edith and Heinz his carrier started with a new wind and he get his VA at BSZS in Nurnberg 2014. I don’t think Fred would have got this title without Vixen, but that we never will know. I only know she was a big part of it.


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 15 April 2015 - 07:04

Sorry, do not understand ... is there a Part 2 to follow ?

I do not 'get' why your Loan of this bitch Vixen (breeding terms ?)

was for "Fred's benefit" - why could Fred not be campaigned to

his VA without Vixen being there (in Germany) ?

And are you just saying (when extraneous details are removed)

that the bitch you LENT has been STOLEN  because 'Edith &

Heinz'  have just kept her for too long ?   Was there any contract

or (legally enforceable) agreement for Vixen to be returned to

you by a particular date / event  ? 


by hexe on 15 April 2015 - 17:04

Hundmutter, their Vixen is a daughter of Fred...IOW, they feel she helped him climb up the placement ladder by providing judges the opportunity to see adult progeny of Fred's.


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 15 April 2015 - 18:04

One could argue whether one daughter makes so much diff.

to any dog's progeny group. ?Wondering

 

Still can't figure out why they think she is 'stolen' rather than still

on loan.  Just has to be more to the story ...






 


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