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by kitkat3478 on 04 March 2015 - 13:03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enPCZA1WFKY
very interesting video about spay\neuter
found it on Von Banach website, thankks Julie
by bubbabooboo on 04 March 2015 - 15:03
Indeed!! Animals need their sex hormones for normal physical and mental development. Cattle farmers have known that steers are quite different from bulls and that freemartin females do not develop normally. A male puppy neutered at 6 months will never be the same as the same dog neutered at two years of age .. a different physical and mental development is the outcome of puppyhood neutering. The same old question .. what is best for the dog versus what is best or more convenient for humans?? In the USA the dog generally loses.
by vk4gsd on 05 March 2015 - 08:03
by kitkat3478 on 05 March 2015 - 11:03
NO SHIT vk...your ignorance shines through with those pics...IF you listened to the message, she was speaking to responsible pet owners, AND the more desirable, less harmful means to STOP unwanted puppies and kittens.
NO ONE SAYS THERE ISN'T AN OVER ABUNDANCE OF UNNECESSARY ANIMAL DEATHE EVERY YEAR...
In case other simple minded people only read the title, the video speaks of different ways to fix dogs and cats without robbing them of necessary hormones.
by vk4gsd on 05 March 2015 - 12:03
i put anti-neuter evangelists in the same category as anti-vacc wackos and flat earthers.
a public menace.
by Blitzen on 05 March 2015 - 13:03
I neuter all my older females to prevent pyometra because I lost 2 females to that disease. Have never used the ovary sparing process. When I was breeding I sold pet females with contracts to be spayed prior to their first season. Of the approximately 20 females that were neutered young, none died from breast cancer and every one lived to be 12+ years without any health issues. I didn't require males to be neutered.
I worked as a tech for 15 years, we did pro bono work for the local rescue and SPCA. I do not remember ever seeing an adult dog from either of those organizations with any disease that is now attrubuted to early complete neutering. Most were placed locally and most remained our patients. I'm talking about literally 100's of dogs, about half male, half female, always neutered before rehomed.
We did see some cases of osteosarcoma, most in the same family of IWH's and a few Rotties, the 2 most common breeds to have that disease at the time. I did notice that males generally seemed to grow taller without a lot of male characteristics and females seemed to look a bit more masculine than was expected for the breed or mix. The males did not develop prostate issues and the females I knew of remained free of breast cancer. The most common complaint was due to females developing incontinence.
Vets may not discourage early complete neutering because they have not witnessed many negative results from doing it, but have seen enough of the negative results of puppy mills, BYB, accidental matings, breast cancer, pyo, and prostate disease to believe that the benfits of complete early neutering outweight the negative. Maybe the ovary sparing procedure will become more popular if time shows it to be safer for the female. There are cons for that procedure too. It cuts both ways.
by Blitzen on 05 March 2015 - 14:03
by johnpyanik on 05 March 2015 - 14:03
Every time someone brings up the case against altering a dog due to health considerations, someone ALWAYS brings up about dogs in shelters. No one is saying to indescrinimately breed your dog, I for one will never alter any of my animals and I've never had an unwanted breeding occur
by Blitzen on 05 March 2015 - 15:03
It's always a good idea to talk about both sides of the argument so everyone can make up their own minds based on their research, understanding, BREED, and personal experiences. I think it's worth it to spay older bitches to prevent pyo because I had 2 die from that and have seen numerous surgeries on older females. One bullmastiff with uterine horns as big as a man's arms and weighing a whopping 12 lbs. She was also in renal failure, very common in females with closed pyometras. Ergo, based on my own experience, I choose to err on the side of caution and do a complete spay on an older female before I have to deal with a life threatening case of pyometra. I have never had a mismating, so preventing unwanted pregnancies is not a factor for me either.
by Hundmutter on 05 March 2015 - 17:03
I have not produced any accidental puppies either ; just like other posters
saying that. However, it isn't only about the number of unjustified deaths,
it is also about the thousands of unnecessary and unplanned births.
While I agree that the early neutering fad has got out of hand in recent
years, there is no gainsaying that 'automatic' neutering by rescue shelters
has doubtless prevented a good deal of unwanted litters being born.
Until the general public get the message that they should not breed on a
whim, or that its okay to panic when discovering their improperly supervised
bitch is pregnant and then simply dump her somewhere (and when do you
think people are finally going to understand that ?), then I think we HAVE to
promote neutering. Obviously we'd prefer it done once the dog or bitch has
had a chance to grow up, first - but then, how often do those that end up
in shelters get allowed to reproduce before they are of suitable developmental
age to be making pups, huh ?
Sorry Pete if my attitude makes me an 'evangelist' on this topic; thats tough.
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