Fleischerheim Kennels - Page 1

Does anyone have any experence with the Fleischerheim Kennels? I am trying to get more info on my females mothers pedigree.

This is for German Shepherd Dogs

Have you tried searching her name here on this website?

I have. I was the one that added her mothers name. I guess what Im really trying to find out is I have heard and read a lot of negative things about this kennel (poor breeding). I may be totally wrong but she seems to be bred really well. My girls name is RBR Zoie Vom Fleischerheim if anyone wants to look her up? I know what her fathers lineage has acomplished and where their are now but I cant find any info on her mothers side?

Zoie does not appear to be from one of Bill's breedings. Not his type of mating from what I've seen in the past. Her mother Victoria looks to be more of his type of breeding.

No Zoie was not his breeding. I know where she came from. I was just wondering about her mothers lines and the kennel?

The mother is not the weak link.

As with any kennel that produces a large number of pups, the more you breed the more likely you'll occasionally produce some percentage of pups with undesirable characteristics of varying degrees, and Fleischerheim is no exception to that law of nature.  That said, the breeder knows the West German showlines as well as anyone in the US who has been involved in the SV world of the breed for as long as they have been, and they do buy well-bred dogs--of that, there is no question.  But well-bred dogs still carry the genes for the various health & temperament issues that can affect members of the breed, so that's no guarantee that all pups from such lineage will be perfect--it's up to a good breeder to recognize when a particular pairing didn't produce what was anticipated, and to reconsider repeating the breeding and even whether to use one or both parents for breeding stock again. 

Probably the biggest 'negative' one hears about the Fleischerheim kennel is that their dogs are over-priced, and there is no denying that one can find puppies that are equally as well-bred, healthy and well-started, and of the same potential as those bred and sold by Fleischerheim--but nobody is forcing anyone to pay the man's asking prices, so I can't blame him for that, nor can I hold it against them for being good at marketing themselves to the general public who may be interested in purchasing a purebred, West German show line German Shepherd Dog from imported parents.

Your female is a pretty young girl...very typical of the lines behind her, reminds me of the bitch I currently have which isn't surprising since they share some relatives when you get back into their fourth and fifth generations. Curious as to how your female comes to be carrying the Fleischerheim kennel name, though, if Fleischerheim wasn't the breeder...generally speaking, one doesn't use a breeder's kennel name on a dog that said kennel didn't breed--it's considered bad form when it's done knowingly, as in when the actual breeder of a litter hasn't got any credentials of their own, so the actual breeder trades entirely on the reputation of the more established, better-known kennel name of the sire or dam [or worse yet, of grandparents and great-grandparents].  Of course, it does happen innocently, too, when a novice buyer, who isn't familiar with how personal someone's kennel name is and how the use of it without permission can impact a kennel's reputation, decides they are going to include the kennel names of their new puppy's parents when they register the pup. Usually doesn't present any serious problems, because that usually happens when someone has bought their dog purely as a companion and family member, and there's no intention to go forward into breeding the pup as an adult so the unintended appropriation of the kennel name ends there. Trouble arises, however, when the puppy buyer decides they're going to use that dog for breeding stock, and people begin to question how said dog comes to carry the kennel name of someone else who was NOT the breeder of that dog.

In any event, I daresay that most people in the US who follow the SV showline GSDs would recognize the Fleischerheim kennel name before that of your female's sire; but that's due in part to the former's location, length of time Fleischerheim has been involved in the breed with these lines, and of course the kennel's strong ability to promote themselves as a source of well-bred West German showline German Shepherd Dogs, especially for buyers who agree that the amount one pays automatically increases the quality and exclusivity of the dog they purchase. 

Hope your pup is maturing nicely, and is everything you hoped she would be and more. Everyone should be besotted with the dogs they share their lives with, else why share your life with dogs?

.Edited because I forgot to include link to my female's page for comparison above.

Dog1: what do you mean by the mother isn't the weakest link? Please alaberate? 

heke: Thank you for your input!! I registered the dog and chose her name. I was not aware that that was a problem. I have no intentions of ruining someone else's name! I only want to make the breed better in any and every way I can. Yes I am proud of her regardless of her lines. 

I obviously didn't know as much about Zoies fathers lines as I thought. Would anyone be willing to inform me on the pros and cons of his lieniage?