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Dawulf

by Dawulf on 19 February 2015 - 07:02

I came across the pedigree of some really freaking pretty Akita's today, and caught myself wondering what the color genetics is like for them. Looking at the pictures in the pedigrees I would think that it is recessive, however the "style" of the black is more like that of a black wolf, which I believe is dominant black, vs the solid, unbroken black that is recessive (like GSD's). It also donned on me that maybe these black dogs are actually just reallyreallyreally dark sables, so I'm hoping that someone can chime in and clarify this for me.

 

Most other breeds I can think of are all recessive blacks. 


GSD Lineage

by GSD Lineage on 19 February 2015 - 10:02

They seem to have all those things plus some very dark brindles that could look black too. If you share images others can tell you what they think.
Langans Mo Ichi Do No Tanoshii


Ch. Langans Mo Ichi Do No Tanoshii

 

Kakwa's Nehwa


CDN CH Kakwa's Nehwa


 

Davos Tuxedo


AMCH Davos Tuxedo

 

 

Alder's Miss Behaving


CDNCH Alder's Miss Behaving

 

 

 


CrashKerry

by CrashKerry on 19 February 2015 - 11:02


by Blitzen on 19 February 2015 - 12:02


by Ibrahim on 19 February 2015 - 14:02

Some GSDs in Russia have dominant black gene, but I don't know how, when and from where they got the dominant black gene.

I was, too, wondering about the color genetics of the WOLF, if some one can provide info, maybe a link too

 

Ibrahim



by joanro on 19 February 2015 - 14:02

Supposedly the black color in wolves comes from the domestic dog. Inbreeding has taken place and introduced the black gene, according to DNA. Found this article:Stanford Report, February 11, 2009 Wolf in dog's clothing? Twist in evolution of fur color Daniel Stahler/National Park Service Wolves with black fur are found predominantly in the woodlands of North Amercia. BY KRISTA CONGER Slipping through trees or across snow, the wolf has glided into legend on paws of white, gray or—in North America—even black. This last group owes an unexpected debt to the cousins of the domestic dog, say researchers. In an unconventional evolutionary twist, dogs that bred with wolves thousands of years ago ceded a genetic mutation encoding dark coat color to their former ancestors. As a result, the Gray Wolf, or Canis lupus, is no longer just gray. The effect was more than just cosmetic: The resulting black wolves, which are found nearly exclusively in North America, seem to have a selective advantage over lighter-colored wolves in forested areas. It's a rare instance of domestic animals—in this case, probably the dogs of the earliest Native Americans—contributing to the genetic variability of their wild counterparts in a way that affects both the recipients' appearance and survival. "We usually think of domestication as something that is carried out to benefit humans," said genetics professor Greg Barsh, MD, PhD. "So we were really surprised to find that domestic animals can serve as a genetic reservoir that can benefit the natural populations from which they were derived. It's also fascinating to think that a portion of the first Native American dogs, which are now extinct, may live on in wolves." Canine geneticists generally agree that North American dogs today are all descended from European dogs. Barsh and graduate student Tovi Anderson collaborated with, among others, scientists at the University of California-Los Angeles, the University of Calgary, the National Park Service at Yellowstone National Park and the National Human Genome Research Institute to conduct the research, which was published on Feb. 5 in the journal Science. Scientists from Sweden and Italy also participated in the international effort. Anderson and her collaborators compared DNA collected from 41 black, white and gray wolves in the Canadian Arctic and 224 black and gray wolves in Yellowstone National Park with that of domestic dogs and gray and black coyotes. Their intention was to build on previous work in the Barsh lab that identified a mechanism controlling pigmentation in dogs that differs from most other mammals. "We expected this to be a short research project to confirm that wolves and dogs shared the same genetic pathway that determines black coat color," said Anderson. "But the story got much more interesting when we expanded our research and began asking about the origin of the mutation in wolves." Dark-coated wolves are significantly more prevalent in forested areas of the Canadian Arctic than they are in the icy tundra (62 percent vs. 7 percent of the total population, respectively). Biologists have long suspected that something about having black fur is particularly advantageous for the woodland wolves, but they weren't sure what. Because black wolves gray with age, it seems that the root cause goes deeper than coat color. Barsh's laboratory, which has spent years studying genes affecting coat color and other biological pathways in mammals, discovered in 2007 that the gene responsible for black fur in dogs, called beta-defensin, belongs to a family of genes previously believed to be involved in fighting infection. One version of the gene produces light or yellow-colored dogs and wolves; a mutant version missing three nucleotides produces black animals. "Wildlife biologists don't really think that wolves rely much on camouflage to protect themselves or to increase their hunting success," said Barsh. "It's possible there is something else going on here. For example, the protein responsible for the coat color difference has been implicated, in humans, in inflammation and infection, and therefore might give black animals an advantage that is distinct from its effect on pigmentation." Although the "why" of this selective advantage remains a mystery, the "how" is becoming more clear. Anderson's study confirmed that the black-coat gene shows evidence of positive selection in forest wolves. She also showed that the gene is dominant, meaning that an animal with only one copy of the gene would still have a black coat. Ten of fourteen pups of a mating between a black wolf and a gray wolf carried the gene and were black. She and her collaborators used a variety of genetic tests to determine that the mutation was likely introduced into wolves by dogs sometime in the last 10,000 to 15,000 years, about the same time the first Americans were migrating across the Bering land bridge. These humans were probably accompanied by dogs, some of which carried the black-coat mutation estimated to have arisen about 50,000 years ago. The rest, as they say, was history. "It may have been easier for dogs to interact with wolves in North America than in Europe," said Anderson. "There was probably a higher concentration of wolves, and the dogs, like the humans, were more migratory." Unfortunately, it's not yet possible to tell whether there were any black wolves prior to the domestication of dogs. It may be that the mutation arose in the wolf population prior to the domestication of the dog somewhere between 15,000 and 40,000 years ago and then died out in the wild. Alternatively, it may have made its first appearance in a domestic dog and never entered the wild until the Native Americans migrated from Europe. Regardless, it's the seemingly beneficial aspect of the mutation coupled with its origin that has the researchers excited. "This is a mutation that had been cultivated by humans in the form of the domestic dog for thousands of years," said Anderson. "Now we see that it not only entered the wild population, but also is benefiting them." The researchers speculate that the loss of the wolves' tundra habitat may encourage the spread of the black-coat gene even further. They're interested in finding out exactly how the mutation works to help forest wolves. The research underscores the idea that evolution may involve other instances in which traits are passed in unexpected directions. "We now know that dogs have been the caretakers of a genetic legacy that may be beneficial to wolves," said Barsh. "It should lead us to think more broadly as to how this might apply to other animals and plants." Barsh and Anderson's Stanford collaborators include Hua Tang, PhD, assistant professor of genetics, and Sophie Candille, PhD, postdoctoral fellow in the Tang lab. The research was funded by the National Institutes of Health, the National Science Foundation and the Swedish Research Council. SHARE THIS STORY 21   0   0   3   RELATED TO THIS STORY Greg Barsh Hua Tang Video of wolves Dark-skinned mice lead researchers to protein linked to bone marrow failure Human family tree drawn by gene sequencing effort Scien

GSD Lineage

by GSD Lineage on 21 February 2015 - 12:02

I think they meant to say Interbreeding between wolves and dogs & not inbreeding between them.

"This is the first example where a gene mutation originated in a domesticated species, was transferred to and became very common in a closely related wild species," said Robert Wayne, a UCLA professor of ecology and evolutionary biology and co-author of the Science paper." (UCLA article Quote)

Source: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/biologists-solve-mystery-about-80301

Russia/Siberia and North America have Black wolves. 

Some breeds with Black or Black Like Color, Too many to list!


by joanro on 21 February 2015 - 18:02

'I think they meant to say Interbreeding between wolves and dogs & not inbreeding between them.' True.
As for the black wolves in Russia, they spoke to that in the article.
the black does occurs in the wild, as in other wolf populations. The difference in the mutation is that it is a dominant gene and not recessive as in the gsd. Only one parent needs the gene to pass on the color to the majority of pups in a litter.

Dawulf

by Dawulf on 21 February 2015 - 22:02

Yes, my understanding was that the black is a dominant gene in wolves, and was introduced into the species by interbreeding with dogs of the Natives. Though it has to make you curious where dogs got all of these fancy colors while wolves just have variations of the one. :) Genetics and mutations are absolutely fascinating to me.

 

 






 


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