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by erj71 on 02 December 2014 - 18:12

by susie on 02 December 2014 - 19:12
???
At least 2 of your females are out of this kennel.
In your other post you asked about your new pregnant female and what to do.
In the classifieds section you are selling a male, and better, a female out of said kennel right now...
Are YOU in it for "the love of the breed" ???

by erj71 on 02 December 2014 - 23:12

by trixx on 04 December 2014 - 02:12
Thanks for letting us all know, i would prefer not to go to a iffy breeder and i am looking

by CMills on 04 December 2014 - 02:12
I must disagree with the OP. I know the people who own this kennel, and they have always been honest and upfront when selling puppies/dogs. I also saw the recent ad they posted for their male for sale, and it clearly stated nothing about him being sold as a stud dog. I do know he is intact, and that he has sired several litters in the past, he just doesn't have the best sperm count. This does not make him sterile nor incapable of siring pups in the future, but they were honest in their ad for him that was posted. I think this couple deeply love their dogs, and I've personally seen several of their dogs, and all were in excellent health and had good temperments, were good examples of the breed. So unless you know them personally you really shouldn't talk trash about another kennel! JMHO!!

by Rick123 on 04 December 2014 - 04:12
I feel that I need to respond to this discussion concerning Fedor. He is intact and has been vet checked. He is not sterile, but is not as aggressive or as fertile as I, as a breeder, desire in a stud dog. Furthermore, he is not being sold as a stud dog, but as an intact male.

by Sunsilver on 04 December 2014 - 08:12
IMO, if they really DID care about the breed, they would NEUTER this male! WTF?? Why are they letting him sire puppies if they know his sperm count is low! Aren't they worried about him passing on this trait??
They may not be marketing him as a stud dog, but anyone buying an intact male is more than likely going to assume he can be used for breeding!

by susie on 04 December 2014 - 16:12
Our cultural "history" of dog ownership seems to be very different - over here we don´t tend to neuter / spay without medical reason ( almost only the rescues do ).
Why do you care about the sperm count, but don´t care about health and working abilities?
According to "our" breeding rules this is no stud dog, but in your country there are almost no rules. Is there a rule about "spermcount" ?
Over here we have to report every stud that happened within a couple of days, and a male leaving empty too many females, gets in trouble and has to be tested officially for fertility.
What I want to say - as long as there are no rules you can´t blame people for doing something the way they do it.

by Sunsilver on 04 December 2014 - 17:12
Susie, here EVERYTHING gets spayed/neutered, often before 4 mo. of age!
When I bought Star, it was with the intention of using her for breeding. On my first visit to the vet, without asking what my plans were for her, they presented me with a printed estimate for the cost of having her spayed.
They continued to do this with EVERY visit, until she'd had all her puppy shots, even though I made it clear that I was hoping to breed her!
Of course, she did not turn out to be breed quality, so I had her spayed at 2, after she failed OFA.
I would definitely spay a non-breed quality female, as the effort of keeping them out of trouble during their heat is just too much, unless you have a really secure kennel. Even then, any intact males on the property are likely to go off their food and start howling. Had this happen when I had another person sharing the house with me, and one of her females was in season. Listening to the boys' lovesick howls wasn't my idea of a fun time...
Where males are concerned, I personally woudn't have a problem with keeping a non-breeding male intact. However, if I were going to sell him, I would want him to be neutered to prevent a puppy mill, or other unscrupulous breeder from using him as a stud. I would see that as my duty to the breed.

by CMills on 05 December 2014 - 00:12
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