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Hi everybody!

Could someone have a look at Eife Tarra Shaman ---- this is my puppy and he has alot of congenital health issues, one that is life threatening.  What is 'breed report' and, why would there not be a breed report? 

Thanks very much!

The Breed (or Koer) Report is done as an adult, and you would have to fill that in yourself when you've had your dog surveyed.

It won't be relevant to your pup yet.  What MIGHT possibly help you is to read up on hs parents, if either or both are on here.  If

they  have Reports entered there might be information in those;  but frankly I doubt it.  In cases of congenital problems, your

better guide from a pedigree is what IS NOT there ...  were the parents both health tested for the common GSD diseases ?

What were their hips and elbow results ?  Any DNA work done, or a DM test ?

Suggest you tell us a bit more about the problems you are having and see if anyone on here has experience of those illnesses

and can help wth suggestions about day-to-day management of them, pros & cons of what meds are available, to ask your vet

about etc.

Very sorry to hear that your puppy is in difficulty.

Here is a direct link to the pedigree.  It will help get you more input. 

https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2086411-elfe-tarra-du-shaman

So sorry your pup is experiencing health problems.  That is always heartbreaking. 

To the OP: On the bright side, I wouldn't trouble myself overly regarding the DM 'at risk' designation, given that the jury is still out on whether the test itself is really even slightly predictive of the risk of the disease developing in a GSD. The UAP shouldn't adversely impact your dog's life to any great degree, unless your plans for him included sport or law enforcement work, where his elbow will take a lot of pounding.

Some thoughts after reading the discussion going on between you and the breeder in your dog's "Comments" section:

To the breeder, [user name: shaman], I would expect a breeder to understand the significant difference between a pup that injures it's elbow during play, and one with a heritable abnormality like Ununited Anconeal Process. The pup didn't 'acquire' UAP: the pup HAS a UAP, and slipping on a wet floor during play probably uncovered it by virture of the muscle strain from the slip causing the intial limping, which led to the radiographs and discovery of the UAP condtion.

To the OP: Not sure if you know this, but he CKC doesn't require a DNA profilef ANY dog or bitch, from the information posted on their website. The AKC does require a DNA profile be established on some dogs that meet the specific criteria for it, but most dogs in the US and Canada don't have DNA profiles run on them unless the dog is:

(a) an imported breeding animal of either gender, which  must be done before the dog sires or whelps any litters, or

(b) is a male that has been designated by the AKC as a "Frequently Used Sire", one that has sired seven 7 or more litters during his lifetime, OR one that has sired 4 or more litters in a single calendar year.

There is, however, a HUGE difference between a DNA Profile and DNA testing.  The former doesn't check for any diseases, but rather simply establishes a record of parentage in the event there is ever any question as to which dog actually is the sire of a particular litter or pup [since pups within a single litter can have different fathers if the mother was bred by more than one male during her heat cycle]. So for the breeder to give you the 'results' of any DNA profile that was done would tell you nothing, save for whether your pup's father or mother are truly his parents.

Congenital Microvascular Dysplasia is considered to be rare in large dog breeds, though Porto-Caval shunts are know tho occur in the GSD. Unless a dog has produced a pup or has a sibling or other related dogs that have been diagnosed with the problem, it's unlikely anyone would routinely run testing for total serum bile liver acids. Now that your dog's parents have produced an affected animal, however, the ethical thing to do by the breeders would be to (a) run a total serum bile liver acid test on each parent, and (b) not breed that pairing again--although to the latter point, the pedigree of your pup is pretty 'open' for a show-line breeding, with zero line breeding in 5 generations, so it is an interesting discovery from a scientific point of view. Not so much for you, as the dog's owner, understandably.

Agree with Hexe 100%.  Knows their stuff.

Thank you, everybody for your answers.

His elbow bothers him intermittently, causing a limp but since his liver biopsy surgery it has been pretty good.  I won't do the surgery unless he cannot walk on it because as you know, he cannot metabolize anesthetics well with his liver disease.  He was 3 nights in critical care to recover from liver biopsy surgery, with heart rate in the 190 range, required a central line for monitoring venous pressures, medications etc.  No elective surgery unless I have no other option.  It is sad - to me as a person:  I train/handle therapy dogs and have a volunteer post with my dogs with the local PD.  I wanted to do herding with this dog --- for his outlet but, that's pretty much out of the question with A) elbow and B) Valley Fever (Coccidiomycosis) that lives in the dirt here.  I have to do my best to protect him from infections, not so much for the infection itself, but - his inability to metabolize medications like a normal liver can.  Can't use NSAID's for pain --- he cannot tolerate steroids  - at all.... so, there will be no herding.

Most of the breeder's comments have been removed by admin. for the content.  The one that is still there, admin tried to 'clean it up' a bit.  His pedigree was altered I think 17 times by the breeder and 13 times by one of her friends who lives at the other side of the world who doesn't have the first clue about my dog, or his ailments.  One of his comments was removed:  he was off on some trail of nonsense as well.  Breeder was convinced that his liver disease resulted from swimming in a salt water pool.... thus the picture of him from the pool.  Records and a 4 page summary in lay terms with chemistry interpretation was sent to breeder the day I received it. Another disease that he was born with, anatomical dysfigurement:  not acquired.  There is a picture there too, of myself with one of my dogs that was posted without my permission - from her Delta cert. in the summer of 2012, long before little Cabek was born. 

CMD is unusual in and of itself, and it was after his diagnosis that I asked for bile salts clearance testing for the parents, in addition to disclosure to the other puppy owners.  The answers I got, I won't share.... He either inherited it, or he had a blip during fetal development and it is his alone.  Without testing the parents, nobody would know the answer.  I am in healthcare, and the disease is interesting in terms of science --- but it scared the daylights ouut of me when he almost lost his life, at 7 mos. old - from bone marrow failure which resulted from overwhelming enterosepsis.

I had asked for DNA/parentage - but was told that it was 'not done there.'  It didn't matter at the time.........  Genetic testing however, does matter.  I did ask, did not receive, more than once.  I doubt that the parents were tested:  we have one N/N puppy, my A/A puppy ---- one other is pending results.  I would venture to guess that they were not tested, because ---- nobody breeds 2 carriers, which they have to be.  I sent my sample to OFA, and to DDC just because...... just got those results back 2 days ago.  Both labs came with the same answer.  2 copies of at risk.

Hips/elbows ---- I was told that they were both certified in Germany, but - the sire did not live in Germany since he was purchased at 8 or 9 weeks.

So far, sire has been the only sire since 2012.....

I didn't see a breed report on either parent either...

Thank you again, everybody - I appreciate your help.  PS - he is doing great on prescription liver food, medications and swimming every day.  Up to 79 lb, one week out from first birthday which I thought he would never see.

wow, tough deal for one so young.