Beware of Kimbertal in Pennsylvania - Page 1

Kimbertal is a long standing large kennel. I find it interesting that a kennel with so much history did not acquire a background check for some of the newer dogs that they have listed on their website. For example, I know for a fact that their stud, Adamo, comes from a bloodline that has a history of hip displaysia. A personal friend of mine purchased Adamo's brother, and the vet had to put him to sleep. At 6 months old, the vet said his hip looked like that of a 50 year old dog. Another breeder purchased two more brothers of Adamo. He bred both dogs and all of the puppies had hip problems. (See bloodline of Chyna and Azzo from Big Dog Kennel). Be careful if purchasing puppies from this stud!

You may be right but your statement is largelly  inaccurate. Every dog has "history" of Hip dysplasia. And every dog if bred long enough with different bitches will produce lesser hips.  

 Also at 6 mo the sockets are made still out of a some   cartilage in pertinent places  and cartilage does not show on x rays thus hips of dogs this young often look worse then they are going to be. That is one of the reasons why we officially evaluate the hips later.  

 If you make statement like this you better be prepared to documented it  on more then one 6 month old pup with x rays or OFA certifications.  Otherwise statement like tah is malicious, and harmful and even if true it will not do much good.  

Prager Hans

I bought several dobermans from them a few years back for AKC conformation.  Out of 3 pups I purchased over the years, I got one with medical issues and they replaced her with no questions asked.  I am sorry you are having problems with them.  

Speaking of hip dsyplasia - I purchased a bouvier also from a breeder - not Kimbertal of course - he was the only pup in a litter of 8 that got an OFa Good - all the other pups had bad hips. Hip dysplasia can appear due to lots of reasons.

Is the owner of this kennel Woody Woodruf?

I have always heard very good things about them. IF I were going to ever get another Doberman, this is where I am going...

I used to live near Kimbertal. I think it would be prudent to do your homework before buying one of their dogs.

Hip dysplasia can appear due to lots of reasons.!!!! AMEN

Any breeder that says he is sure he has none in his bloodlines is a LIAR////

Environment plus hereditary factors play a 2 part propagation of truth vs fiction.

Kimbertall sold thousands of dogs and changed ownership at least 1x. There will be good dogs and bad dogs no matter where you go. I used to work there in 1980ties as a main  trainer,. It was hell place to work  for since they treated their emploees with not much respect but the dogs they sold back then were good to exceleent. I do not know what is going on there now but back then they run it as a business and dogs were physically well taken care of , the purpose of the business was money which may  be good or bad. They did their own ears and tails and were wery good at that:
 clean kennels,  breeding stock was x rayed and studs were world calss titled dogs. They pay good money to the buyers if they titled  their dogs. Customer care was by the book and spelled out well. I am still using their slightly modified warranty. It was/ is great warranty and well tilted to the benefit of the buyer.  Kimbertal  was mass production of Rotts and Dobes  for low price ( Pups used to cost about $450 or so as I remeber at that time,....   it was not a puppy mill but it was well run kennel and  breeding stock was  top class. There were training classes in obedience and protection, breeding program, vet care and immunization was top. And even so there was no love lost between me and Bob Yarnell ( the then owner)  I am not ashamed that I was a part of their business back then where  I have learn hell of allot there.  Since then  I have seen many kennels and none  was run as well as a business as Kibletal. It would be interesting to hear some more current info from the place since my info is 30 + years old.

 Prager Hans 

 My old stompig ground:

- "Kimbertal was mass production of Rotts and Dobes for low price ( Pups used to cost about $450 or so as I remeber at that time,.... it was not a puppy mill"

Hans, maybe just your choice of words..................but that sounds like a puppy mill to me .

Just saying......

Kim

Well at $2500/pup, they're really making the money now Hans