WTF is this cop an abuser or am i missing something? - Page 1

i don't like to bash cops so i will assume this is some valid K09 training procedure, my gut tells me otherwise.

 

someone please expalin.

 

WTF???

 

It is just bad handling. Dog was taken from him and he is "on leave" while under investigation. At least, that's the last I heard.

"bad handling" seems an understatement for the best and finest - hopefully on leave without pay.

This sad to see... but I know it happens... this time it was caught on camera. Glad to hear that the officer is being repromanded for his actions.

On the flip side, there are alot of great officers that really care about their K9 partners. They are closer to these dogs than their family and treat them like family. The officers life can be in the hands of their K9. They should think about that before they treat them like what happened in this video.

Like a shirt I have says... "Train HARD because some day it will determine whether or not you MAKE IT HOME"!

Its called a correction for a dog that did not respond properly because it was not trained correctly to begin with.
Its pretty typical due to the lack of training experience in most agencies who still use methods from 1960.
K9 handlers are taught to pull dogs off a bite by the harness or collar, not have them out on command, the picking the dog up off the ground is part of that mentality and it get long to explain, but, trust me, it happens a lot.

And what pray tell did the dog do to deserve such a correction??


Then he lets the dog have a loose leash as it ran blind between parked cars into oncoming traffic like he wanted it to get hit by the fast looking moving car.

These guys get paid to train their dogs and free decoys and trainers, where is the pride and professionalism.

Its those free decoys and so called trainers that are the problem VK...

The guy did what he was trained to do, that seems obvious to me.  He was pretty deliberate in his actions, I"m not going to call him "calm" but there was a calmness and intent with his actions.  Like he was doing something he was trained to do.  I don't think it was abuse, but I also don't think it was remotely acceptable or correct either.  I don't think there is any need to go to the measures he did in that circumstance.

I could accept choking a dog off if he was latched on to a person or something and there was no other way, but not outing a ball?  stupid lazy training.  I got the , "well this is a hard driven dog" excuse from all sorts of people and it doesn't fly with me anymore and there are still a lot of trainers out there like that.  I guess I could accept it 30 years ago, because that was about all everyone new.  Today, there are a lot of people doing it differently.  Differently isn't always better, but in this case I think it is.  

I think i'd really like to get my hands on that dog though.  He seems like he'd be fun.  I could probably figure out a way so I wouldn't hae to choke him off a ball too.  

Zdog, while I have choked a dog off a ball or sleeve, while I understand that in an emergency, IT MUST be done, many of these guys are trained, as you said, to do it this way. I have heard of all the excuses, "the dog is too hard, I want to keep him in drive, what if the suspect is fighting", etc, the simple reality is that you can train a dog to "out" very easily, so long as it does not become a battle.

Something else some of these guys dont get, choking a dog causes it to clamp down, not able to open its mouth and if you do this while screaming on top of your lungs, "OUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT", you are COUNTER-conditioning the dog to bite harder on the "out" command.

How many of these dogs have you seen start to run in circles, while on a bite, when they see the handler approach them? Why do you think they do it? Some things will never change...some people refuse to accept help, so be it.

I hear you, even when they see different, rather than find a way to accept it and learn from it, they search for excuses for why they must continue to do it the old way.