This is so very true.... posted by Oli in main forum. - Page 1

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=787457-this-is-so-very-true

by Oli (admin) on 23 April 2014 - 00:04

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by bubbabooboo on 23 April 2014 - 00:04

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So very true .. NOT !!  Simplistic BS always sounds good until you scratch the surface and then it stinks .. that's what the cartoon is.  From Civil Rights, to the Vietnam War, to Global Warming a lot of supposedly "good" people got it wrong and tried to shout down the "assholes" and show them the door ( America Love IT or Leave IT .. remember that simplistic BS ?? ).  So be careful who you show the door to because very soon the room will be empty except for yourself and when they come for you there will be no one left to speak for you.  

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by Sunsilver on 23 April 2014 - 01:04

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Boo-boo, if you are taking a jab at the way this board is run, here a few things I can tell you from experience as a moderator elsewhere.

 

This is not a public forum. The board is privately owned, so the owner and the moderators can set and enforce the rules. 'Free speech' is governed by the TOS.

At one time, I moderated on a board which had just decided to develop and enforce a TOS, because things were getting totally out of control. Many people left in a huff, or were banned. They said things similar to what you said above, most notably  "So be careful who you show the door to because very soon the room will be empty except for yourself"...

 

Those who didn't like the way things were being run (or were banned) started their own board. After about 6 months, they stopped trying to sneak back under different aliases to spy on us and cause trouble, and we never heard from them again. I have no idea what became of their website. The site I helped to moderate is now the largest of its kind on the web, and is an extremely valuable resource for people in the nursing profession.

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by Oli (admin) on 23 April 2014 - 01:04

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bubbabooboo, Do you really believe it's your right to say your "say" where ever you want? Really.   Like take a spray can to a public building and write a message,  force MSNBC or Fox news to publish your belief ???

Because there isn't any difference,  a website or a forum or a TV network is the same when it comes to public speech.  You are free to your opinions as given by the state,  and free to voice them.  But you do not have the right's to impose them to anyones property.  Which includes news networks, buildings or websites....   

 

Check your rights before you spout uninformed oppinions like that.

 

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by GSD4dogs on 23 April 2014 - 01:04

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Everyone has the right to their voice but all too often lately good people are judged and found guilty on the internet. When time is taken to look at the evidence that shows they are innocent, the damage is done and good reputations ruined.

We need to stop and think before we rush to judgement  yet the internet encourages the opposite.

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by bravo22 on 23 April 2014 - 01:04

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Without conflict there is no story.  I don't presuppose to speak for Bubba, but it looks as though he was speaking of unpopular expression as having its place too, conceptually- perhaps morally, not as an exercise encoded by law.

That being said, I really have no idea what this thread is about.

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by Oli (admin) on 23 April 2014 - 01:04

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The internet is a pretty dangerous place.    A lot of proof of that.

Someone slanders (libel since it's written) you, who can you take to court to clense your good name.  

The Website owners?,  no,  they didn't write the message, they just submited the forum.  Just as a federal building does to spray painters.
The hosting company?  No, since they just own the hardware and have no idea on what's happening.
The internet provider?  No, they just deliver the data to everyone, they didn't create it.

In the end it falls on the person who said/wrote.  

Want to breake this curse of injustice,  make a law that requires tracability.  (simply keep IP addressess and a timestamp)  

Make it easy for individuals to request tracability,.. 

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by Oli (admin) on 23 April 2014 - 01:04

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@bravo22   We get a lot of heat from people who like to say certain things about other people but are simply not allowed to. (here).  In this industry there is an incredible amount of hate that goes between breeders. Worldwide, statewide, city wide....

When we delete something posted, it is not an infringement on the freedom of speech but rather a policy of what I want to have hosted on pedigreedatabase.com.  which is completely in my rights as the owner of this website.  Has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

Similar to painting my house to get rid of a gang tag.   

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by Kalibeck on 23 April 2014 - 02:04

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This site is Oli's property, & we are incredibly fortunate that he allows us to use it. If he were to tell us each exactly what to say, as long as we are on his site, he would be within his rights. Were he to charge each of us a fee to use each part of his website, he would be within his rights. And we would be within our rights to decline to use his website if we disagreed. 

As it is, Oli has offered us some incredible (to me anyway) technology which he constantly tweaks, & is incredibly tolerant about how we use it. For free! I am constantly astounded by the ingratitude shown by some who use this board. And yet, Oli for the most part tolerates it, which to me speaks to the kind of man he is.

And Bubba, you listen to Toad?

jackie harris

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AMERICA got this !!!

How much time is left? Before OT is gone? And the permanent bans  begin?

If this is "fair" warning that a differing POV is all it takes, it can not be long, now.

OT isn't going anywhere (much to my displeasure) and unless you really screw up you aren't about to be banned. I give plenty of chances before that is even thought about.

 

The cartoon is just that a cartoon. BUT if you fall on the wrong side of the RULES not OPINIONS, don't complain about being banned or edited. I don't think the cartoon says any more than that. I think you are reading why more into than is actually there.

Thanks for the information. I confess to some gladness at that news, for myself. 

So, what exactly is the issue? Edits still follow TOS, or OT Forum Rules. Okay, got that! ..... AND can be removed for content at owner/admin discretion? Got that, too! 

And most importantly, that complaints on owner/admin decisions are not productive? Have I got that right, too?

You will already know I would continue to ask and prefer admin/moderator Edits are noted, when they occur. They seem to be now, (as far as I can tell). I hope that doesn't change.

Let me say it again, I appreciate the good news.

 

 

 

I remember what my father told my brother when we were young.  My brother was telling my dad about his right to free speech and the first amendment.  My dad calmly said "You do have the right to free speech and along with that right are the inevitable consequences of what you say if you forget to use judgment, common sense, and a little class".

LMAO

 

 

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