This is so very true.... - Page 1

So very true .. NOT !!  Simplistic BS always sounds good until you scratch the surface and then it stinks .. that's what the cartoon is.  From Civil Rights, to the Vietnam War, to Global Warming a lot of supposedly "good" people got it wrong and tried to shout down the "assholes" and show them the door ( America Love IT or Leave IT .. remember that simplistic BS ?? ).  So be careful who you show the door to because very soon the room will be empty except for yourself and when they come for you there will be no one left to speak for you.  

Boo-boo, if you are taking a jab at the way this board is run, here a few things I can tell you from experience as a moderator elsewhere.

This is not a public forum. The board is privately owned, so the owner and the moderators can set and enforce the rules. 'Free speech' is governed by the TOS.

At one time, I moderated on a board which had just decided to develop and enforce a TOS, because things were getting totally out of control. Many people left in a huff, or were banned. They said things similar to what you said above, most notably  "So be careful who you show the door to because very soon the room will be empty except for yourself"...

Those who didn't like the way things were being run (or were banned) started their own board. After about 6 months, they stopped trying to sneak back under different aliases to spy on us and cause trouble, and we never heard from them again. I have no idea what became of their website. The site I helped to moderate is now the largest of its kind on the web, and is an extremely valuable resource for people in the nursing profession.

bubbabooboo, Do you really believe it's your right to say your "say" where ever you want? Really.   Like take a spray can to a public building and write a message,  force MSNBC or Fox news to publish your belief ???

Because there isn't any difference,  a website or a forum or a TV network is the same when it comes to public speech.  You are free to your opinions as given by the state,  and free to voice them.  But you do not have the right's to impose them to anyones property.  Which includes news networks, buildings or websites....   

Check your rights before you spout uninformed oppinions like that.

Everyone has the right to their voice but all too often lately good people are judged and found guilty on the internet. When time is taken to look at the evidence that shows they are innocent, the damage is done and good reputations ruined.

We need to stop and think before we rush to judgement  yet the internet encourages the opposite.

Without conflict there is no story.  I don't presuppose to speak for Bubba, but it looks as though he was speaking of unpopular expression as having its place too, conceptually- perhaps morally, not as an exercise encoded by law.

That being said, I really have no idea what this thread is about.

The internet is a pretty dangerous place.    A lot of proof of that.

Someone slanders (libel since it's written) you, who can you take to court to clense your good name.  

The Website owners?,  no,  they didn't write the message, they just submited the forum.  Just as a federal building does to spray painters.
The hosting company?  No, since they just own the hardware and have no idea on what's happening.
The internet provider?  No, they just deliver the data to everyone, they didn't create it.

In the end it falls on the person who said/wrote.  

Want to breake this curse of injustice,  make a law that requires tracability.  (simply keep IP addressess and a timestamp)  

Make it easy for individuals to request tracability,.. 

@bravo22   We get a lot of heat from people who like to say certain things about other people but are simply not allowed to. (here).  In this industry there is an incredible amount of hate that goes between breeders. Worldwide, statewide, city wide....

When we delete something posted, it is not an infringement on the freedom of speech but rather a policy of what I want to have hosted on pedigreedatabase.com.  which is completely in my rights as the owner of this website.  Has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

Similar to painting my house to get rid of a gang tag.   

This site is Oli's property, & we are incredibly fortunate that he allows us to use it. If he were to tell us each exactly what to say, as long as we are on his site, he would be within his rights. Were he to charge each of us a fee to use each part of his website, he would be within his rights. And we would be within our rights to decline to use his website if we disagreed. 

As it is, Oli has offered us some incredible (to me anyway) technology which he constantly tweaks, & is incredibly tolerant about how we use it. For free! I am constantly astounded by the ingratitude shown by some who use this board. And yet, Oli for the most part tolerates it, which to me speaks to the kind of man he is.

And Bubba, you listen to Toad?

jackie harris

This site has Terms of Service which we all agree to .. I was not aware one of the terms was to start a we are the world sing along.  Free speech and popular public opinion often are not compatible ..  As Martin Luther King, critics of the Vietnam War, critics of the first and second Iraq War, and those who brought Global Warming to the world's attention knew .. telling people what they don't want to hear even if true and indisputeable will not make you popular and may get you yelled at, arrested, beaten, or killed.  The terms of service for this site are posted and have been enforced and this site is a business.  The cartoon implied that if you did not agree with the majority or voiced an unpopular opinion that the fault lay at your feet for any unpleasant consequences and the public was and is justified to yell at you or "show you the door".  I don't find that to be true at all.