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by beetree on 28 March 2014 - 22:03
Philosophicallly speaking, aren't they the same?
by vk4gsd on 28 March 2014 - 22:03
Sure, i give you the gift of gifting me.
by beetree on 28 March 2014 - 22:03
No problem. Just give me a case for support of your worthiness.
Edit: That is actually a real life scenario. Sorry.
Philosophically, you as the recipient, have no say as to a motive to act, only except in an act of acknowledgement. Without acknowledgement, a gift is never realized. And an unacknowledged act defined by motive, is ... what?
So, can that be true of a "given"?
Edit: That is actually a real life scenario. Sorry.
Philosophically, you as the recipient, have no say as to a motive to act, only except in an act of acknowledgement. Without acknowledgement, a gift is never realized. And an unacknowledged act defined by motive, is ... what?
So, can that be true of a "given"?
by vk4gsd on 28 March 2014 - 23:03
Bs, the greatest gift is to those unworthy, as jesus or someone like him said if the roman orders you to carry his shit for 1 mile then carry it for 2 miles.
so enough banter start sending me lovely gifts and i will ackowledge you.
so enough banter start sending me lovely gifts and i will ackowledge you.
by beetree on 28 March 2014 - 23:03
Well, that explains why you are so unsatisfied. I as the giver, philosophically and in RL, can not give a gift if your expectation is assumed that I am obligated to your acknowledment, in advance.
I think this is where that infinite regressive argument, starts to hit the proverbial fan. Just guessing. I have a heuristic bent that I am working the kinks, out of. Always a work in progress. That's what keeps it interesting, I guess... hmm.
I think this is where that infinite regressive argument, starts to hit the proverbial fan. Just guessing. I have a heuristic bent that I am working the kinks, out of. Always a work in progress. That's what keeps it interesting, I guess... hmm.
by vk4gsd on 28 March 2014 - 23:03
No regression i am only interested in yr happiness by going out of my way to give you the gift of giving, may this gift be eternal as to the joy you will recieve from it.
I have given you enough, now start gifting and receive yr joy.
I have given you enough, now start gifting and receive yr joy.
by beetree on 28 March 2014 - 23:03
by Mountain Lion on 28 March 2014 - 23:03
Philosophicallly speaking, aren't they the same?
With the gift comes the element of wonder, with the given it becomes something that you just expect...
With the gift comes the element of wonder, with the given it becomes something that you just expect...
by vk4gsd on 28 March 2014 - 23:03
I expect my gift which you have given.
by beetree on 29 March 2014 - 00:03
ML: I understand that wonder would be a normal part of the emotional experience in the unexpectedness of a gift that can answer a recipients innermost desires (including wishes), to the point of never being mentioned to others. However think of other types of gift giving practiced as a tradition, a rite, a message.
VK4 mentioned an altuistic motive to gift giving. The easy belief that this is always true, is perhaps hoped for, to divert the fact that a gift can be given that is not based on let's say as VK4 did say: Joy.
I would say, I hope convincingly, that Joy, as motive for gifting, has never been a given for every gift.
VK4 mentioned an altuistic motive to gift giving. The easy belief that this is always true, is perhaps hoped for, to divert the fact that a gift can be given that is not based on let's say as VK4 did say: Joy.
I would say, I hope convincingly, that Joy, as motive for gifting, has never been a given for every gift.
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