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Question about breeding, I would like everyones experience's in this situation Female 1 comes in heat, LH have been monitored entire cycle. Her LH peeks on the 19 Jan (Day 15), Bred, 19, 21..Now.. Female 2 is in heat, LH not monitored, she usually stands on day 13... which is 23. Today. Same day I planned to re-breed female 1 All my training tells me give my dude a break, and let the sperm regenerate, Which would mean not breeding female 2 until 25..day (15) So, do I breed female 2 on the 23 and Female 1 on the 24,, What is your experience with letting a male breed each day or skipping a day and doing am and pm breedings... I know the sperm count goes, down, I know the eggs are best 48-72 after the LH peaks, I know the litter size is reduced the more the male is used... Question is... Better to wait a day and breed both same day. or Better to breed each female on different days? All are my own dogs, brucellocis clear..so don't jump in with the !!!!!! All pups are spoken for 2 year waiting on these particular breedings for both females with 21 people waiting for pups... So Yes it is a PLANNED BREEDING. The Female 2.. came in heat 4 weeks early...

I would say your first female should be covered so maybe just breed female 2 now, every other day. Alot of times it only takes one breeding if the timing is right.

I have experience in having bred several females to one stud in the week. Let's say I have 2 females in season at the same exact time. I'll bred the stud to the first female every other day. So the first one will be Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday and so on unless or until she is out of season. The other female will be bred by the same stud Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Monday and so on unless or until she is out of season. I have bred 3 females during the same week too. The schedule was every third day so on unless or until one went out of season, then I keep the 3 day rotation, just rested the stud on the day or days for the ones who went out. During one busy breeding cycle, breeding 3 females in the morning to one stud every third day around 8 AM another person wanted to use the same stud too. He knew the stud was in use with the other 3 dogs. He bred his to the stud at 8 PM on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. She had 10 puppies 6 females 4 males. The other 3 females had litters too, 1 litter was 9 puppies and the other 2 litters were of 10 puppies each. All 4 litters were DNA verified as being sired by the same stud If other females came into season and wanted to breed them to the same stud who was being used in a busy cycle, we would just put the other female in the rotation where one fell out of it. If I could pick the optimum time to breed the couple, I would opt for doing it in the morning. The thought is more living spermatozoa then due to not freezing in the winter or burning up in the summer for actual outside daytime working dogs. It is what we have done with every species of animal on the farm and it has worked for us. Most people's dogs are in climate controlled environments, but I would still go with a morning breeding, because if something doesn't work out or if you need help or veterinarian attention, more than likely, it will be easier to acquire during business hours as opposed to the middle of the night. Now on the other hand if the dog rode around all night in a patrol car or some other night time job and was working during the night, I would breed early evening, so that the dog has been rested for a period of time and again the thought is more living spermatozoa.

With luteinizing hormone and progesterone testing. A luteinizing hormone surge mid season coincides with ovulation, then, LH maintains the corpus luteum which synthesizes progesterone till she is out of season.That is why "some" late breedings still take and are small liters. People and veterinarians who wait till the "surge" to breed have smaller litters if any at all. People are opting for the quick, down and dirty one shot breeding and on average are not getting good sized litters, if any litter at all, progesterone testing & luteinizing hormone (LH) testing, then breeding, still have many litters missed, that's why many do a second breeding 2 days or 3 days later in hopes of a litter, When they should of went 2 days earlier then the first breeding, to cover the eggs when ovulation starts not after. As for progesterone testing & luteinizing hormone (LH) testing, I feel they are a waste and the results are used incorrectly by most breeders and veterinarians alike as mentioned above. I bred my female dogs on the 9th or 10 th day and every other or every third day from there on out, until the dogs is out of season. Even if she is the only dog being bred to the stud. A breeding every other or every 3rd day is as good as every day. The reason why start on the 9th or 10th is you want live semen / spermatozoa in there to cover eggs as soon as they become available to become fertilized not after and possible miss them. The actual tie breeding will cause synchronization of the ovulation and the breeding to take place and the pair should be rebred 48 to 72 hours later or so at least 1 time. If you go to an outside stud, at least get 2 separate tie breedings (actual cover breedings). The first on the 9th or 10th and the second 48 to 72 hours later or so. An actual tie breeding will cause ovulation to take place by synchronization of the hormone release with the breeding, so if your are going for artificial insemination (AI) breeding, even with a surgical insemination, 2 days before ovulation, the veterinarian should insert two or three fingers and simulate the male knot pulling and locking inside the female, during or immediately after the insemination if surgical, the female will the have convulsions that in a natural breeding would help in the uptake of the semen / spermatozoa to the eggs. What most have not realized this simple step, often omitted, causing the convulsions and all, will then causes the hormone release in the female to synchronize with the breeding and either increase the number of fertilized eggs, or cause them to be fertilized in the first place. I also posted here about not waiting till the 14th day in a heat cycle or season, you may find this information helpful too. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/59356.html#59395 Brian DeBow

Brian, Excellent posts. People need to remember that sperm/egg synchronization is far more important than sperm numbers. Many thousands or even millions of sperm are deposited with each breeding. These do nothing if there are no mature eggs to fertilize. Even a marginally fertile male can sire large litters if the breeding is planned and executed properly. A healthy male as stated can service several bitches without difficulty. Best Wishes, Jonah

Thank you for your help everyone, Much head scratching going on in this house. We usually go on day 10 for our females, that's when our stud seems to want to breed them, However last year female 1 came in heat, she wanted to be bred early on day 8 so we bred her until she wouldn't stand and the male was not interested anymore, which was day 14... NO PUPPIES... Must add, she is a super light bleeder.. kleenex test and hardly any blood in her kennel ever...But she is nice enough to blow her coat 3 weeks before she starts so we can at least start wiping her. She is 3.5 This will be her first litter.. So we went the modern route this time and the LH peaked at day 14... This time she would not stand until day 14 I had already AI her on day 12, because I don't trust modern tech.. and the male couldn't tie.. she was to tight still,and dancing,twisting and back flipping about like an idiot with the muzzel on, trying to eat everyones face off.. The male is still interested in her and its day 19 today.. so ???? weird.. Anyways he is having fun. And hopefully she is just later dropping those eggs, then most females.. Thanks again for everyone's input. Copied and pasted your comments into my black book :)

If one could have a perfect scenario, it would be to synchronization of estrus, ovulation, fertilization and conception. Now in the real world, estrus come first, then the act of attempted fertilization, so the sperm are ready to go, then ovulation begins, eggs met by waiting sperm, fertilization ensues and conception takes place. To many people wait to after ovulation to attempt fertilization and the success rate goes down accordingly. As for "the modern route", if luteinizing hormone peaks on day 14, day 12 was a great choice of a day to artificially inseminate. I hope the tieing act was artificially simulated too on day 12. That would cause a surge of naturaly produced hormones and facilitate the fertilization act, when eggs become avaiable for fertilization. On day 12 she was artificially inseminated, how about day 14 or 15? Good luck with your breedings. Brian DeBow

As for "the modern route", if luteinizing hormone peaks on day 14, day 12 was a great choice of a day to artificially inseminate. I hope the tieing act was artificially simulated too on day 12. That would cause a surge of naturally produced hormones and facilitate the fertilization act, when eggs become available for fertilization. Brian DeBow

Yes, we simulated the tie, 15 min with her looking at me like I was the idiot, and the husband laughing asking if Im having fun yet.. 25 ml shot..not bad... a nice long tie on day 14 and 16 (30 + 45min) and he gets a go at her again tonight..