Is this false or misleading representation? - Page 1

This puppies will be mainly suitable for Personal protection, family protection and Law Enforcement training

Is this one of the biggest sales pitch a breeder make to a newbie customer knowing it is impossible to prove? Lets say the customer purchase a pup from the breeder and when he does not perform well, for example Personal Protection when full grown, will the breeder refund/replace it or deny it and blame it on the training/trainer of the dog?

Just like every humans don't have the mind of Einstein, I am sure dogs are the same too. Yet some breeders will, immediatly after the litters are born, claim them all to be Einstein and suitable to be physicist already. If I told you I have 10 human kids suitable to attend University to be doctors, lawyers, and scientist when they grow up. Come to find out, 2 failed becuase they have IQs lower then 70 and 4 just want to play around and hang out with their friends all day instead of going to class. Who is liable here; me, you, or the University?

 

Yes - but only as far as any advertisements for anything goes, I don't
believe it strays into the realms of the illegal, anywhere !

The most a truly honest dog breeder can tell you is that the pups
they produce have been bred as carefully as they can, using 'proven'
parents, and raised as carefully as they can.  The rest is a crap-shoot.

A good breeder will make an effort to match the puppy to the buyer,
based on features the pup is already showing in the nest and what the
buyer is asking for ... a good reason for prospective buyers to KNOW
IN ADVANCE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR DOG - something
newbies are always being told on PDB.

But after sale, so much depends on the owner and the trainer (if not one &
the same) as to what develops.  If you were a know-everything (know nothing!)
person who refused all help and advice, you would likely end up with a dog that
was really good at bugger-all, however well-bred it started out in life, or what the
sales-pitch was.

Its neither. If the parents are proven producers rof such dogs, its hope they will do it again.
Its also good marketing should the pups grow up to become working dogs.
The breeder, if experienced, can look at puppies and see what POTENTIAL may be there as well.
Finally, its a good CYA move should one of those dogs bites someone. ...you bought it knowing it could bite more readily then a pet dog.

Is this particular statement false and misleading?  No, I don’t believe so.

It’s just marketing, and fairly benign marketing at that.

To spot marketing, look for statements like “mainly suitable”.  Those are broad terms that could be easily argued.

Use your own analogy.  “This child is mainly suitable for University”.  Unless they don’t like the school they attend, or they like hanging out with their friends more than studying.  Not much of a guarantee is implied here. 

nature verses nurture. Did Einstein have an Einstein Jr? I never heard of his kids. Did other people come a long and expand on Einstiens work? yes, and still do. If the young Einstein had been raised by parents who brow beat him that an education was worthless he might have become the best businessman or artist of his day. Einsteins will shine. If einstein had been abused and treated improperly, who might he have looked like? Charles Manson? Ted Bundy? Research all claims whether you are buying a Chevy or a BMW. Then if you leave the show room and drive thru every pothole you can find, never change the oil, or drive as fast as you can in first gear, go sue the car salesman.

If I saw that statement made about a litter, I would assume that one or both of the parents is trained and serving in that capacity and that they have also produce 2 or more dogs working in that capacity.  If it mattered to me, I would certainly expect proof and I would look for it, not just buy based on what a breeder thinks the dogs might be able to od.

I don't hold a breeder liable for a temperament assessment.  I feel as a buyer it's my responsibility to research the lineage, pedigree, and what the dogs and progeny have accomplished and decide for myself.  Say I needed a police dog and bought a puppy from a sire and dam that have both produced police dogs in the past, but my dog washed out, I would not expect any compensation from the breeder.  Puppies are a crapshoot and you do your best to research the *potential* of the puppy but if it doesn't pan out, it's not really anyone's fault.

Not misrepensation;  means the litter was bred for working;  probably higher drive working dogs which most people cannot handle for everyday life.  Would probably drive the average Joe family home nuts;  can be non stop and gets into trouble if they don't have a job.  BOL  Nan

If the breeder was breeding American line show dogs I would be wary, but these are working line czech/DDR/german dogs.

The breeder also has a history of producing dogs with these characteristics and has a program of breeding dogs with know attributes to get a desired outcome.

Like anything else in life, apply the principle 'caveat emptor' (buyer beware). If, as said above the breeder has a history of producing dogs for personal protection or law enforcement, good. Their claim may be valid.

But no one can say for sure how a pup will turn out, and I've seen an awful lot of crappy looking dogs being sold on this website with extravagent claims like 'FUTURE SIEGER!!!!", or "100% correct anatomie!! [sic]" on a dog with a C-shaped spine and a butt that was almost dragging on the ground.

The goal of an ad is to sell you something, and the seller is going to advertise the pups in whatever way they think is going to accomplish that goal. No doubt the truth gets stretched a bit now and then, even if the seller is fairly reputable and honest.

It´s marketing - and I don´t think the breeder will give a replacement in case the dog will not be suitable for PP later on.
There is no way to see into the future, DNA sometimes connects in a strange way, the new owners sometimes don´t know how to raise a working dog properly...

Advertisements in Germany normally mention the line or the parents, the titles, and the color, nothing else.
On the other hand, i never heard about a German asking for a refund, in case the dog didn´t develop like the owner hoped it to do.