Best Working Line Breeders - Page 11

BooBoo,
The SV held its first trial (then called an efficiency trial) in 1903.
1903 is also the same year the precursor of the DVG held it's first trial.
This is many, many years before "after the 2nd World War."
Here is a good article that outlines some of the beginnings of schutzhund and police dog trials.
http://www.dvgamerica.com/dvghist.html

1936 Video of Schutzhund (again prior to "after the 2nd World War.")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsBi0PehfAM
 

Thank you, OGBS, but I really doubt that Bubba is interested in the truth.
Breeding German Shepherds without any trial titles and show results is far easier and cheaper than sticking to the rules.
The breeder doesn´t need to spend countless hours of work with his dogs, he doesn´t need to drive, he doesn´t need to spend money for fees...
AND HIS DOGS DONT NEED TO GET EVALUATED BY ANYBODY BESIDES HIMSELF-
LIFE CAN BE EASY - SO WHY GO THE DIFFICULT WAY ???

There was nothing like IPO in 1903 or 1943 .. The original efficiency trials were more related to herding and conformation .. not biting a jute sleeve and obedience tracking.  Lies and more lies but back to the arrogant truth that the SV and the IPO crowd wants to tell the rest of the world how to raise and breed german Shepherds based on their self serving system and what is good for the SV and the WUSV financially .. The European and SV crowd need an excuse to look down on and claim superiority of their particular brand of the GSD .. that's all .. as usual it's all about the money.  The police and military increasingly turn to Malinois because the SV GSD is too large and too poor an athlete to do any real work that requires endurance or stamina.  An IPO winner at the FCI world IPO championships is usually looking a lot like a Malinois because the majority of the top ten dogs are Malinois.  The GSD is no longer top dog in the sport of IPO because the SV and the WUSV are breeding dogs too heavy and without enough agility to properly do the sport of IPO and forget the ring sports.  KNPV is still a possibility but a lot of the top KNPV dogs are Mals and other breeds even crosses.  Isn't factual information wonderful instead of IPO BS???

thank you bubba, now that this is once again out of your system go  in the bird dog section. 

Bubba, why at all do you breed German Shepherds out of the lines you choosed ???? You don´t seem to like the parents and grandparents of your dogs ...

You should be glad that the Malinois is the top dog in IPO - the " point idiots " mostly use Malinois ( although several of them already came back to the German Shepherd ).
There is a difference between training a dog and hunting for points, but I fear I´m not able to explain the difference in easy words to someone who never seriously tried.
Kind regards

Now who isn't interested in the truth??  If the GSD is no longer top dog in a sport invented for the GSD ( IPO ) then is it the GSD breeders or or is it the sport that is and has become warped??  Is it the definition of work as biting a jute sleeve that is wrong or has the GSD become increasingly irrelevant in a sport created for the breed and that some idiots claim is the way that all GSD breeding and performance selections for breeding should be based??

Bubba seems your looking for justification to breed pets.  Why dont you just have at it and stop talking out your rear end.

If you dont understand what the bite of a dog shows you or the training process be it IPO or another bite sport there is no point in further discussion.  You just dont know enough to understand.

I know enouh to know BS from people breeding oversize GSD males that have no value as military dogs .. no soldier is going to willingly carry a lead butt GSD male across rooftops in Afghanistan or Iraq .. better to carry a Malinois that weighs 70 pounds and won't melt in the heat.  The IPO fans in the USA like to belittle the AKC GSD but for many people they are just as good or better for their intended "work" than the SV style GSD be they so called working line or so called show line.  If the IPO minority in the USA could breed GSD dogs at all they wouldn't be importing most of their competition dogs from Europe.  So the question best "working line" breeder of the GSD in the USA begs "what work"???

"Isn't factual information wonderful instead of IPO BS???"

BooBoo,
-Factual information is wonderful. That's why we post it. To counteract your BS.
You should do a little more homework on Schutzhund because you are wrong.


-Mals and Dutchies have always been a more agile dog than GSD's. This is no secret and no revelation that you just figured out.
Their structure is different than a GSD and lends itself to a better K9 athlete. They are also a dime a dozen. You can find good puppies for free if you know where to look.
You like to "talk" about being an all-around dog and how biting the jute sleeve is the ruin of the GSD.
What about the Mals and Dutchies? They have been doing bite related sports and trials as long as the GSD.
How many of the Mals and Dutchies that are with K9 units are dogs that are safe enough to be around children (or adults)?
They are mostly indiscriminate biting machines that have to be muzzled outside of their kennel. Is this your idea of an all-around dog?
 

BooBoo,
The Mals and Dutchies are coming from Europe also.
If you are going to form an argument it at least has to be logical.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Mals usually overheat much sooner than GSD's.