Pink Papered Import/Score Book for Trials - Page 4

Bubba,

Food for thought. At some point you may want to salvage whatever credibility you may have left and stop posting bad information. Your track record is getting worse with each post you make. Take a break.

If you need a scorebook quickly I think USCA can do that.  I seem to remember making a last minute decision about trialing a young dog and they were able to issue the membership card and scorebook within days, I just had them add the charge for expedited shipping.  That was years ago but I'm guessing if anyone needed a scorebook sooner than 3 weeks you could call the office and they'd probably help out.

Gunners Dad is a member of the GSDCA-WDA already so he can't be a member of the USCA .. and Dog1 I can live with my shame if I am wrong but the universality of the SV stops with the WUSV.  The US DVG is arranged as a state or province just as the individual DVG chapters in Germany are subgroups of the DVG.  Technically if the DVG in Germany would accept an SV scorebook without an SV membership to match it then the US would also under the DVG rules because the USA DVG is a subset of the German DVG but I am betting that without an SV membership to match the SV scorebook whether it be the glorious pink papers or a regular scorebook they won't take the scorebook be it pink or any other color.  The realm of the SV stops at the German border. The SV uses it's surrogates to extend it's realm via the WUSV but the WUSV does not represent all GSD organizations and the IPO scorebooks issued by the SV are neither universal or eternal.

Listen to BooBoo at your own peril, he doesn't know what he is  posting. Dog1 is correct.

Bubba,

I just read your post and I'm dizzy. Let me help you and others out here.

Frank is the judge at one of the trials mentioned here. He's also the VP of USCA. He has taken his time to explain the rules and actually posted them here. If he says the Pink Papers are a scorebook. Guess what? They are. Pretty much end of story.


 

Nope .. Frank and the USCA nor the GSDCA-WDA nor the SV or WUSV control the sport of IPO.  Gunner's dad can get all of his IPO titles under an FCI judge and never see a SV judge .He can record them in an FCI recognized scorebook and the SV must accept those scores and titles because the SV belongs to the VDH and must obey the FCI rules.  Not all FCI organizations recognize those SV pink papers as a score book for their trials therefore they are not universal and accepted by all IPO organizations.  If you go to the real IPO world championships you will see a lot of Mals and a dog doesn't even have to be purebred to get an IPO title.

Babbabooboo said "No organization allows the use of their scorebook unless you are a member of their organization.  You can't use a SV scorebook unless you are a member of the SV.  You can't use a DVG scorebook unless you are a member of the DVG and you can't use a GSDCA-WDA scorebook unless you are a member of the GSDCA-WDA."


This is not totally correct. I really wish you would get your information straight before you post like you know what you are talking about.

You are correct for DVG, because in DVG the scorebook belongs to the handler. But is most other organizations (I say most because I do not know about all, but all that I know of ) the scorebook belongs to the dog. Thus why the scorebook goes with the dog when someone sells the dog. Also why when a member changes organizations the scorebook from their prior organization is still accepted.

This is also why Sitasmom was able to use a SV scorebook, and why the OP can use the SV pink papers. The FCI rule I posted before is all the FCI says about scorebooks. They do not specify what the scorebook must look like , just what must be contained in it and the "scorebook" on the back of the SV pink Papers do contain that information and are issued by a FCI recognized organization and thus ARE recognized by FCI organization.

Babbabooboo, if you have information to the contrary, please post the link to where you get your information from, like I did...

http://www.fci.be/circulaires/55-2011-annex-en.pdf


 

by Dog1 on 03 January 2014 - 17:52	Dog1 Posts:1344 Joined:Tue Jun 10, 2003 08:29 pm
Since the dog has Pink papers and the Pink papers serve as the SV scorebook, and you can only have one scorebook. You have what you need. The Pink papers are accepted universally.

Dog1 stated that the SV pink papers are a universal scorebook and they are not!!  Also while the scorebook in most cases goes with the dog it is actually the scores that go with the dog .. they are recorded with the organization issuing the scorebook that the dog has matched to the scorebook.  Without having the scorebook contents recorded there would be no way to confirm or deny what is written in the scorebook.  The SV pink papers are not a substitute for a scorebook with all organizations.  As I stated there are several organizations with FCI judges which Gunner's Dad and his dog can obtain all of the IPO titles with that do not accept SV Pink Papers as a scorebook.  The IPO titles are given under agreement with ALL of the breeds and organizations which participate in the IPO system and that is not limited to the SV or it's surrogates such as the USCA.  Pardon me if I am not willing to accept the word of a USCA vice president who participated in and belongs to an organization that broke the WUSV rules that the organization voted for three times over a 5 year period by saying "we don't understand the rules"..  Apparently the USCA only understands the rules it wants to understand and ignores all others.  It seems that the USCA is as likely as not to ignore, twist or claim ignorance of the rules when it suits their political purposes.  Perhaps the DVG would like to interpret their own rules rather than rely on a representative of an organization which has acted in bad faith and deceit in the very recent past.  The USCA and it's representatives would be wise to avoid the subject of score book acceptance given the track record of that organization.  I invite you and Dog1 to prove the universality of the SV Pink Papers or any SV scorebook because both of you know you can't do that.

Babbabooboo


 You crack me up, repeating factless internet blather 3rd or 4th hand is not FACT.

I never claimed the scorebook is universally recognized. I don't think any scorebook is. Some organizations require that there own scorebooks be used.

I have stated you are correct, DVG requires their own scorebook for their own events.

But just because you throw out some BS doesn't make it true. Just like your tired false accusation about USCA when you have nothing to back up your claims.

I posted the information so that people that truely want the information would have it and not believe the dribble that flows out of your keyboard.

If you can, back up ANY of what you are saying, if not, then I guess people know the value of your information

Well Frank did you and Alloway need a clear understanding of the rules which the USCA voted for 3 times in 5 years or not ??  It was posted on the USCA web site that you did.  Apparently the "do or die" letter from the WUSV President cleared up your knowledge of the rules which you and the USCA voted for.  Did the USCA refuse to take GSDCA-WDA scorebooks with SV judges scores in them for several years or not and was that not in violation of the WUSV resolutions and constitution which the USCA was sworn to uphold or not and did the USCA not continue doing this deceitful practice until ordered to stop or be sanctioned by the WUSV president????  And as for Dog1 and you it seems you are now reinventing the history of what was said.  So Frank are the Pink Papers a universal scorebook or not or shall we infer that if Frank and the USCA says it's so it may or may not be so??
 

by Dog1 on 09 January 2014 - 20:33	Dog1 Posts:1344 Joined:Tue Jun 10, 2003 08:29 pm
Bubba, I just read your post and I'm dizzy. Let me help you and others out here. Frank is the judge at one of the trials mentioned here. He's also the VP of USCA. He has taken his time to explain the rules and actually posted them here. If he says the Pink Papers are a scorebook. Guess what? They are. Pretty much end of story.