Pink Papered Import/Score Book for Trials - Page 1

Can anyone explain how the Trial Process works with Import, I have a Pink Papered GSD ready for Her BH. one club says I need a Score Book, But WDA said all scores go on the Pink Papers. What Clubs in the US are recognized by SV. Does it matter in the US, im not going to ever breed her overseas.

Last I heard you must have a scorebook .. it can be GSDCA-WDA, SV, USCA, AWDF or DVG (which is also AWDF).  Even MondioRing scorebooks can be used for IPO.  GSDCA-WDA accepts scorebooks from all organizations without surcharge or discrimination for IPO titles but not necessarily for show or Kkl.  You are going to need to join some organization to get a scorebook for your dog.  I believe the GSDCA-WDA has the lowest fees of the GSD organizations whose scores and IPO titles are recognized by the SV or WUSV.  Some scores may be entered on the pink papers but not IPO titles as far as I know and even if you could you need to keep those pink papers safe .. a scorebook is easier to replace.  I believe the USCA will try to force you to register your dog in their phoney baloney breed registry which is the SV pink papers with a USCA stamped on the front and translated to english (it is exactly the same).  There is no difference or advantage to having your dog in the USCA breed registry as the SV runs both and the SV papers that you have (technically FCI) are certainly recognized by the SV.  The GSDCA-WDA uses the SV breed registry and your pink papers are OK with them.  This is all built on the assumption that your pink papers are from Germany.  There are some papers from other countries which are FCI members.  Your dog must be registered with the AKC in most cases as the AKC runs the show just as the VDH does in Germany.

Since the dog has Pink papers and the Pink papers serve as the SV scorebook, and you can only have one scorebook. You have what you need. The Pink papers are accepted universally.

What clubs are recognized? You may need to look at the judge.

What works is to trial under an SV judge or trial under a SVF or SVR judge. Both the WDA and USCA have access to these types of judges. Things can get organizational when it comes to FCI judges. Some are recognized, it can depend on which organization is hosting the event. We had a case where an FCI judge who was acceptable to USA if judging a USA event would not recognize the results from the same judge from another organization, I think it was a AWDF event but don't quote me on that. Just check before you enter if the title you earn will be credited towards whatever it is you plan to do later.

I haven't bought a dog in Germany since 2000 so I am a bit out of date.  I think the pink papers will need to be in your name and perhaps the ones you have show the transfer of ownership ( like a car title in most states ).  If you can figure out a way to get a BH title or any kind of title without giving some organization some money then more power to you.  Like everyone who touches the dog business from the county/city dog catcher to the AKC or FCI they all want their tribute.  Every GSD organization sells scorebooks so sooner or later you will buy one since their rules and regs will force you to.  If there is a way to do anything for free they will close that loophole.  Please spare no tongue lashes if I have made mistakes  .. I need to get up to date on the newest regulations.

I do belong to GSDCA-WDA, and when I joined i sent in copies of all paperwork, they told me no score book is needed for GSDCA-WDA or USCA trials to use my pink papers, I sent in the application and fee for a score book and it was returned, stating I have a German Import with Pink Papers and passport. She can trial anywhere in the world with her papers. Now im looking at Trailing her for her BH at a DVG trial and their asking for her Score Book? I explained the above but they still want a Book. Do I need to trial at WDA, USCA trials only. Or talk with the Judge.

The DVG is not buddies with the SV or WUSV which both the USCA and the GSDCA-WDA and/or GSDCA are part of.  The DVG is all breed and does IPO but no breed specific activities.  The GSDCA-WDA takes DVG scorebooks and I am pretty sure they take GSDCA-WDA scorebooks.  I would get a GSDCA-WDA scorebook and use it with the DVG.  I can't see the GSDCA-WDA standing in the way of you giving them money and it is the cheapest route for you to take as far as I can see if you want to trial with the DVG.  At one time the DVG had a DVG only scorebook policy but I don't think that is still valid.  Several GSDCA-WDA clubs are sister clubs with the DVG so I am pretty sure the DVG accepts GSDCA-WDA scorebooks.  Technically what the GSDCA-WDA told you about the pink papers had to be correct but in practice a scorebook may be a better solution as should you need to change to another organization a scorebook is easier to part with than those pink papers.

DVG spells it out pretty clearly in their faq: http://www.dvgamerica.com/faq.html#B1

Bebo is all over it ..  As Dog1 said the pink papers are universal but only for the WUSV universe.  Like the WUSV World Championships held recently the champions are just for IPO German Shepherds from WUSV countries not really the entire world and all IPO.  The SV tends to put itself in the center of every map.

The information on the DVG website is apparently not current. A dog now days can have only one scorebook. If you want to trial DVG and they force you to join a club, Join the SV and show them your membership. You may need to inform them a dog can only have one scorebook too.

You can trial your dog at any WDA or USCA event with your pink papers. There is no longer any USCA scorebook certification fee. The WDA was correct to return your scorebook application, USCA should od the same if you were to send a request to them also. DVG should too. They all play by the same rules as they all are WUSV affiliated. The DVG may not be a direct member, They are somewhat affiliated through the FCI but USCA has always recognized their scorebooks and results producing the same result.

It's not uncommon to have to ask the same question a few times before you get the right answer. The USCA and WDA offices are pretty much current and the answer you get from them should be correct. It should also be what I've posted here.

Probably a good idea to join a National club.

I would get a scorebook from the GSDCA-WDA as you are a member.  Most people will have a scorebook no matter which organization you trial with and this is going to come up over and over again.  Despite the SV trying to make themselves universal they never will be.  The only affiliation between the DVG and the SV or WUSV is through their membership in the VDH which is a member of the FCI.  The VDH is like the AKC in that it is an umbrella club of clubs while the FCI is a club of nations with one member per nation or country.  There is no FCI member from the USA or from most of the former British colonies or the UK as far as I know and the AKC is not an FCI member although the FCI and AKC have an agreement to not trample on each others turf and recognize the registrations from each other.