Pink Papered Import/Score Book for Trials - Page 3

Alright..

Based on the info you provided, this is what I would do if I were you:

1. You NEED to pick an organization and join it. Usually, a person joins the organization that is affiliated with the CLUB that they TRAIN with. But not always...  There is not enough time for you to properly join DVG and get your scorebooks back from Germany, AND enter a February trial. Also, you can no longer just join DVG without a club..   (sad, but that's what they did.)

2. You probably have enough time to join one of the other organizations, and have all of your scorebooks ready to go by February. Pick by whatever method you like..  UScA will sell you a membership and get you your scorebooks and it took about a week for mine to arrive..  and I got a pretty magazine subscription too.  I have no experience with the others, but it seems like you didn't get what you need from WDA.. 

3. If you have the membership card from GSDCA, then you can TRY and enter with your 'pink papers' and that card, but expect to have problems because no one does this..  we all have scorebooks..  and that is what the trial chair for the DVG club wants.. copy of your card, and the scorebook..  along with a check for the entry fee..  and probably the signature of your training director.

4. One more thing..  the person who OWNS the dog AND the person who HANDLES the dog in the trial BOTH need membership cards... I found this out the HARD way when I trialed Eik for his IPO 3 and his stubborn owner waited till THE LAST POSSIBLE SECOND to get the dog a scorebook AND herself a membership card....  (And NO, the DVG club was NOT going to let me just show his SV papers and use that as a scorebook.)


So save yourself a hassle..  get the scorebooks..  they are not that much money.. 
I think if you plan on doing any showing or AD's, then UScA might be easier..  if not, try the other groups mentioned.


Who are you training with, and/or WHO is training/handling the dogs for the titles??   
 

In every example that I can think of you must be a member of the organization issuing the scorebook to use it with that organization or any other FCI member organization.  If you are not a member of the SV then the SV papers are not a scorebook.  The USCA and the GSDCA-WDA may decide to accept those papers as a scorebook due to their affiliation and dependence on the SV but no other FCI member has to or likely will.  I would use my AKC registration to get a GSDCA-WDA scorebook and then have the titles and other Kkl or show scores transferred to the GSDCA-WDA scorebook.  At that point have the GSDCA-WDA write in bold letters "NOT A SCOREBOOK" across the pink papers and you then have but one scorebook.  The rules are not broken as you will have but one scorebook in your possession at any one time and the only time there will be two scorebooks is when they are in the hands of the GSDCA-WDA which transfers titles from scorebooks all the time so this is something that happens with other scorebooks as well.  There is no rule that says you must use the SV papers as a scorebook, just that you can, and that you can have but one scorebook in your possession.  If a DVG member decides to join a GSDCA-WDA  Club and drop out of the DVG the scorebook from the DVG must be transferred to a GSDCA-WDA scorebook.  At no time will that person have more than one valid scorebook.

I believe I am the judge at the Ft Meyers trial. You can absolutely use your Pink Papers as the scorebook for your dog. If you are a GSDCA or GSDCA-WDA member then there is just an additional "Non-Member" fee for your entry. Beyond that, there is no problem at all.


  Frank

Frank,

Thanks for clearing that up. It's amazing how much misinformation is running around the internet.

Get yourself an official International Drivers License to go with those SV pink papers as they are both universal and accepted by everyone, even by the headhunters in Papau New Guinea.

FYI - The rule is that only one scorebook can be shown to the judge.

I have 2 scorebooks, an SV and a GSDCA-WDA scorebook (because of the issues in the past between UScA and WDA).

An GSDCA-WDA scorebook can be attained, by sending a proof of microchip verification and form, akc 4 gen pedigree, and the forms to get the GSDCA-WDA scorebook. I am not sure if DVG will accept it and DVG will not issue scorebooks to non-members. DVG no longer opens membership to individuals at large, and one must have membership in a DVG club to become a member ot the national organization.

Another not as commonly know WUSV/FCI rule, is that the scorebook used is supposed to be issued from the country one resides in.

I do not know that if any, last year's WUSV ruling on scorebooks has made to the DVG's acceptance on scorebooks.

IMO -
If you going to a trial and have a German Shepherd, IMO, might as wall make sure the judge is SV, SVF or WUSV certified........... anything else could come back to haunt you later.









 

Actually SitaMom

The rule is only one scorebook per dog. The FCI made the rule specifically because people would get 2 scorebooks, if the dog did good, they would turn in one, if he did bad they would turn in the other one.Then sell the dog with the only good scores scorebook.

I don't know where you got your information, but I was in attendance of the FCI Judges meeting where this rule was very specifically explained.

If you go to another org that requires their scorebooks then the first one must be voided.
Of course, any org can have variances from the FCI rule, so maybe you got your information from an org that has a variance.

And there is no rule that the scorebook must be issued in the country you live in. That is just false, and thus the SV issued Pink Papers are fine to use as a scorebook. Same reason you were able to use a SV issued scorebook at a USCA trial.


From FCI Rules: Page 12

Scorebook
A scorebook is mandatory for every participating dog. Issuance of the scorebook is done according to the
instructions of the handler’s corresponding National Organization. Important to note, only one
scorebook may be issued per dog. This is the responsibility of the issuing organization. The trial results
must be recorded in the scorebook under all circumstances by the judge (LR) as well as the Trial
Secretary (PL), who is to double check the entry and sign the book.
As from 2012 it will be required that the following entries be made: Members number, name and breed
of the dog, identification of the dog (tattoo nr. / Chip Nr.) Name and address of the owner of the dog,
entry of the total points in Phase A, B and C, qualification and TSB rating. Name of the judge and his
signature.

  Frank

Frank, if a scorebook must be turned in prior to a trial, how can an owner/handler know how the dog will do prior to that actual test, and which score book to use?


thanks for the clarification.

SitasMom, changing the scorebooks was quite common in former years over here (till the early eighties, if I remember well )  - people did have one SV scorebook and one DVG...
" Prior to trial" was only in theory... "Forgotten at home, I was so nervous, my wife will bring it later"...and on and on.
SVs reaction was - SchH1,2, and 3, had to be done within SV, otherwise no recognition, later on they changed the scorebook into the last side of the pedigrees.
The pedigree as a scorebook is the best solution to verify the results in my opinion. There is enough space for the first trials, an often titled dog later on gets the "classical" scorebook, but everyone is able to see the first trial results.

No organization allows the use of their scorebook unless you are a member of their organization.  You can't use a SV scorebook unless you are a member of the SV.  You can't use a DVG scorebook unless you are a member of the DVG and you can't use a GSDCA-WDA scorebook unless you are a member of the GSDCA-WDA.