SchH 3 two year olds? - Page 1

How do you get a 3 on a dog that just turned 2? Phenomenal dog or just a good handler? (genuinely curious)

I serious doubt that it's either. Like you... I'm also curious.. I'm curious of their working scorebook and the judge that gave the dog it's titles, including if the handler is a close friend to the judge. (koffkoffgimmegimmepointskoffkoff) I'm not a fan of RUSH titling. It serves nothing.

I'm sure this question will bring out the references to midnight trials and other ill gotten gains and gifts. Before they appear and the thread goes off on another tangent, I'll post some thoughts. Phenominal dog? Could be. Good handler and trainer too. Dogs that start young and have good training can do a 3 around the time they turn two. Usually it's a marginal 3. Scores are usually not very high. I had a dog that did. I had some help too. The dog was imprinted from a young age by one of the better working dog people in Germany. At 14 months the dog would not yield as a helped encroached his space but had the confidence to assert himself from a bark and hold and engage the helper rather than yield when the helper pressed him. To me this is an exceptional quality in a young dog. He went to a trainer that had done the helper work at the BSZS twice. The dog was with him for about a year and trained a couple of times each week with two clubs serious about training. Timing plays an important part as the home field/helper advantage goes away when you must trial on different fields under different judges. The dog trialed a little more than a month apart on different fields under different judges and completed his 3 just after his second birthday. It was a concentrated effort with a good dog and an excellent trainer.

i believe T. Floyds dog was sch3 at around 2yrs

Here's a dog that had pretty impressive results as a two-year old. :) http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/481644.html

It can be done and done correctly depends on the dog and trainer. Not everything is done at midnight, only when it is I feel sad for the dog, He is the one that is cheated and not correctly trained.

My Carol was SchH 3 at age 2, and V in the BSZS. It just depends on the dog. His is a precocious line. HIs daughter, Ali, now 12 mos., looks like she could get her SchH 1 by the minimum age of 18 mos. or thereabouts, depending on how long it takes me to do the retreive. SS

SG Hutch Waldwinkel Sch3 FH1 He was not even 2 yet when he got his Sch3. I saw this male work and a sight to see. Like it was said before with excellent training and the right dog it can be done. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/470385.html

With all the midnight trials that are supposed to be going on most of the German GSD folks would be getting no sleep at all... How is such a midnight express dog supposed to pass a KKL? Which just happens to be a very public event that has lots of dogs entered, from show and working line camps alike, and always has lots of visitors? People outside of Germany cannot relate because they are missing the frequency of trials and the access to the same training infrastructure, and the knowledgebase. SchH3 at age 2 - all you need for that is a normal drive dog. Consistent training, the right training infrastructure, knowledgable handler/trainer etc, of course all that plays a role. It always takes two, a dog that is capable and a trainer that is capable. Most show line males are SchH3 when they are 2 years. They have to in order to be competitive in the show ring. But its not kind of title that you can go and compete with in earnest. Which most show line people will not do anyways, nor need to. The title is put on the dog so that he qualifies for the working dog class and for the KKL, not for the SchH Nationals. Competition quality scores often follow later, if someone wants to pursue that route. Few show line people pursue that route because their focus is on the show. The same reason why most working line folks are happy with an SG even if the dog is V quality. Til their dog does well, then they put in the extra training time to see if they can V their dog. A good pro trainer should have the handling ability to put a SchH3 on a normal drive dog within about 6-9 months, providing they can concentrate on just the titling during that time. 6 months applies more to the dogs that have good drives and better and already have the necessary maturity to do the work. A dog that is also being shown while in training for SchH will need longer. You cannot do both effectively. A dog for competition can still be SchH3 at 2 years and also do well. Caro was already mentioned. Carlo vd bösen Bruderschaft was still a bit younger than Caro when he finished BSP 3rd. The key here is a very gifted trainer/handler. That does not apply to the average dog, nor does it need to. But yes, SchH3 at age 2 is not that out of the ordinary actually.

what is a midnight trial?