VK4 - Page 1

On page 5, of the "Something Different" thread, I asked you a question. I'm very curious about this, in your country.

vk4, How does one show proof their dog is an American Staffordshire, and not an APBT? Do they need AKC papers? Many dogs would pass for either a Pit or an Amstaff, so if a Pit is Illegal, and an Amstaff legal, how is the determination made and who makes it?

Yes, answer these questions. It will tell all. Thanks. Oh, I'm talking boys from men stuff. You are coming off as cotton candy against Abhay, just so you know.

This is not meant to start an argument. I am genuinely interested how a country would or could have such a ban. When Ontario outlawed APBT's, anything that even remotely looked like a Pit was also outlawed. I am extremely curious how they determine a dog to be an Amstaff.

no prob man, i missed that on the other thread, was not being evasive, why would i?

answers will vary in different localities but federally the;

pitt bull,

tosa,

presa

fila

dogo

before the ban a bunch of pits were imported and some presa's, none of the others are known officially to exist here and i am inclined to believe that much.


our akc is called the ankc, the same breed destroying, money grabbing, pointless organization  as yr's fundamentally.

according to your akc there is no such breed as a pit bull period so gets difficult enforcing a ban on a breed that technically does not exist. the amstaff is totally legal and becoming very popular in the suburbs, they are huge and lots of exotic colors eg blues, whites and brindles... etc compared to the pit that does not exist but we would all agre on what a typical one might look like.

here is the clincher as far as my local gov is concerned - EVERY DOG IS A PIT BULL UNTILL YOU PROVE OTHERWISE - 
 

So then, how would one prove otherwise? Would they have to possess a registration paper from this ankc?

half my post did not post?

this all came to a head in court some years ago, a rich guy had his amstaff seized and something to do with DNA and AKC breed recognition the amstaff if registered with official papers is how you prove a dog is not a pit. but would they not have the same DNA?? if they are bred form pits??

the rich guy won the case BTW saved his dog and paved the way for amstaff's.

for non-papered dogs they are assumed to be pits, the "expert" here has no qualifications - in my town, she is a clerk. if she thinks it is a pit and you can't prove otherwise, then it is a pit.

in reality they do not go looking for dogs, yr dog would have to have a lot of complaints or killed something or someone before it will be looked at. but the threat is always there and can be implemented any time.

as an aside, i find it interesting that americans laugh at out regulation but from what moons tells me re gun laws you are no better off with that than us and as far as BSL you are again no better off either thru home insurance or local bans.

we have never had a genocide of pits like you guys had in colorado or wherever where hundreds or pits were euthed and dumped in piles, if  the story is true.

nobody here has experienced this;


from the land of the free...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyElMFkjb44

BTW, have i answered yr question abhay?

Sounds like a big mess. If the AKC and DNA are involved, I know it's a mess. Below is a thread on DNA that my dear friend Capt Mike started
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=178996-aye-dna-breed-analysis-do-you-dare#180630

I lived the first 52yrs of my life in Colorado. I owned the oldest established APBT Kennel there. I know the APBT incident you speak of well. It involved the dogs of Robert Thew, of Yoder, Colorado. Very, Very Sad. It was in about 88.